Democratic Nomination for 2020 - UPDATED to include those who have officially announced

[begooode]

51 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

,...When asked by CNN's Brianna Keilar if he would use tariffs to cut a deal with China during his own presidency, Sanders said that he would.

After Trump appears to soften on trade war, White House says he wanted higher tariffs

"Yeah of course, it is used in a rational way within the context of a broad, sensible trade policy. It is one tool that is available," he said. "You're looking at somebody, by the way, who helped lead the effort against permanent normal trade relations with China and (North American Free Trade Agreement)."...

[Starkiller]

Tariffs have a perfectly rational use in limited situations. Just not like a cudgel to force another country to give better terms to a trade deal. 

[oldschool]

7 minutes ago, begooode said:

 

,...When asked by CNN's Brianna Keilar if he would use tariffs to cut a deal with China during his own presidency, Sanders said that he would.

After Trump appears to soften on trade war, White House says he wanted higher tariffs

"Yeah of course, it is used in a rational way within the context of a broad, sensible trade policy. It is one tool that is available," he said. "You're looking at somebody, by the way, who helped lead the effort against permanent normal trade relations with China and (North American Free Trade Agreement)."...

This dude has to be kept as far away as possible from the nomination.

[tgo]

16 minutes ago, oldschool said:

This dude has to be kept as far away as possible from the nomination.

Democrats have the opportunity to champion free trade and globalization in direct contrast to Trump rather than just parroting Trump’s disastrous trade policy.

 

Protectionist trade policy is harmful to the economy and hurts more Americans than it helps. 

[begooode]

Calm down. I’m not a proponent of tariffs in general. But I’m not a proponent of misleading headlines/sound bites, and context was obviously missing given the current capricious mess we’re seeing play out with tariffs in Trump’s tenure.  Tariffs were in place before Trump, in some form or fashion, with various countries under various strategies and agreements.

 

Bernie worries me, too, honestly. I just can’t see America voting for an unabashed socialist president. But I dunno.

Edited August 25, 2019 by begooode

[tgo]

7 minutes ago, begooode said:

Calm down. I’m not a proponent of tariffs in general. But I’m not a proponent of misleading headlines/sound bites, and context was obviously missing given the current capricious mess we’re seeing play out with tariffs in Trump’s tenure.  Tariffs were in place before Trump, in some form or fashion, with various countries under various strategies.

 

Bernie worries me, too, honestly. I just can’t see America voting for an unabashed socialist president. But I dunno.

Sanders support for tariffs and protectionism is cemented and well documented over time though, Trump essentially adopted Sanders trade platform. 

[OILERMAN]

You don't want to go down a list of things Bernie and Biden have supported over the years, it won't end well for Biden 

[begooode]

1 hour ago, tgo said:

Sanders support for tariffs and protectionism is cemented and well documented over time though, Trump essentially adopted Sanders trade platform. 

Okay. And guess what, that position helped to get Trump elected.  So in my mind it indicates something political leadership needs to think about.  I don’t pretend to have the answers, but telling middle America “globalization is a winner for you!” might be problematic.

 

Edited August 25, 2019 by begooode

[begooode]

Now here’s a problem for proponents of Medicare for All straightaway:

 

The major battleground-state Democrats running to flip the Senate want nothing to do with "Medicare for All."

 

In states like Arizona, Iowa and North Carolina, challengers Mark Kelly, Theresa Greenfield and Cal Cunningham are staying tightly focused on the health care message House Democrats used in 2018: expanding Medicaid, protecting Obamacare and slamming Republican repeal efforts.  Incumbents like Sens. Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), Doug Jones (D-Ala.) and Gary Peters (D-Mich.) are aligned similarly, backing proposals like a public health insurance option but declining to embrace a single national insurance plan.

 

It is a striking split between the Democrats making general election plans in key battleground states and presidential hopefuls like Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, who are confronting a national Democratic primary. And it could make for an awkward general election if either Warren or Sanders becomes the Democratic presidential nominee campaigning on Medicare for All, while the party’s likeliest swing-state Senate nominees run on more moderate health care platform,...

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/25/democrats-health-care-senate-1678301

[tgo]

3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

You don't want to go down a list of things Bernie and Biden have supported over the years, it won't end well for Biden 

[begooode]

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have surged to a tie with Joe Biden atop the Democratic presidential field, according to a new poll that suggests the three are solidifying their status as the top tier in the massive field. 

 

The Monmouth University poll, released Monday, shows Sanders and Warren deadlocked among Democratic voters at 20 percent, with Biden a point behind, at 19 percent. No other candidate cracks double-digits: Kamala Harris is in fourth place, at 8 percent.  Compared with the previous Monmouth poll in June, Sanders has ticked up 6 percentage points, and Warren 5 points. Biden dropped 13 points, from 32 percent in June.

 

The poll shows Biden’s slippage coming across the Democratic electorate, rather than from a specific demographic or ideological group. He is down 14 points among both white and non-white voters. He’s down 14 points among men, and 13 points among women. He’s down 15 points among voters younger than 50 years old, and 9 percent among voters 50 and older.  He’s also slipped 18 points among Democratic voters who describe themselves as moderate or conservative, and 9 points among self-identified liberals.

 

“The main takeaway from this poll is that the Democratic race has become volatile,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute. “Liberal voters are starting to cast about for a candidate they can identify with. Moderate voters, who have been paying less attention, seem to be expressing doubts about Biden. But they are swinging more toward one of the left-leaning contenders with high name recognition rather than toward a lesser known candidate who might be more in line with them politically.”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/26/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-poll-1475440

[tgo]

7 minutes ago, begooode said:

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have surged to a tie with Joe Biden atop the Democratic presidential field, according to a new poll that suggests the three are solidifying their status as the top tier in the massive field. 

 

The Monmouth University poll, released Monday, shows Sanders and Warren deadlocked among Democratic voters at 20 percent, with Biden a point behind, at 19 percent. No other candidate cracks double-digits: Kamala Harris is in fourth place, at 8 percent.  Compared with the previous Monmouth poll in June, Sanders has ticked up 6 percentage points, and Warren 5 points. Biden dropped 13 points, from 32 percent in June.

 

The poll shows Biden’s slippage coming across the Democratic electorate, rather than from a specific demographic or ideological group. He is down 14 points among both white and non-white voters. He’s down 14 points among men, and 13 points among women. He’s down 15 points among voters younger than 50 years old, and 9 percent among voters 50 and older.  He’s also slipped 18 points among Democratic voters who describe themselves as moderate or conservative, and 9 points among self-identified liberals.

 

“The main takeaway from this poll is that the Democratic race has become volatile,” said Patrick Murray, director of the Monmouth University Polling Institute. “Liberal voters are starting to cast about for a candidate they can identify with. Moderate voters, who have been paying less attention, seem to be expressing doubts about Biden. But they are swinging more toward one of the left-leaning contenders with high name recognition rather than toward a lesser known candidate who might be more in line with them politically.”

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/26/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-joe-biden-poll-1475440

Laughable poll. Less than 300 people surveyed with a near 6% margin of error. Statistician Nate Silver was just making fun of it. 

 

A good poll has 1000-1500 surveyed with a 3% margin of error or less. 

 

It is of course a very close race though and seems to be tightening overall. 

 

If a better poll comes out showing a statistical tie or at least a very close tightening of the race over the coming weeks then more power to them, but this is simply not a good poll. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by tgo

[Starkiller]

It’s just 1 poll regardless. We will see how the next few polls look. Biden's lead may have shrunk but I don’t think he is even with Warren and Bernie yet.

[tgo]

Vice News reporter

[begooode]

Did highly rated Monmouth change their polling methods recently?