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6 hours ago, tgo said:

Well-and I consider this a black mark-he opposed the Bin Laden raid due to the risk of conflict with Pakistan. He opposed the intervention in Libya, and vehemently opposed Hillary Clinton on this from within the admin, arguing that the country would disintegrate and chaos would ensue (this happened). 

 

Biden did support Clinton's position on Syria though, that they had to act early to turn the tide against Assad, or a human catastrophe would ensue. Obama of course ignored their advice and backed down on his "red-line" position. 

 

He opposed the idea of a "red line" with Syria to begin with though - saying, “Look, I’m not a big fan of red lines,” he said during a discussion on foreign policy hosted by the Council on Foreign Relations in New York. “I am not a proponent of laying down markers unless you’ve thought through the second, third, and fourth step that you’re going to have to take, and almost assuredly will have to take, in order to accomplish your initial goal.”

 

He also opposed troop surges in Iraq and then Afghanistan. 

 

And by the way, he actually strongly opposed the Iraq War as well leading up to it, but ended up voting to support it after being hoodwinked by Bush and given false assurances behind closed doors, and wanting to be seen as supporting the troops in a united front as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee since the war was going to happen either way. 

 

There are endless videos of his Senate speeches with him railing against the Bush admin's Iraq position in the Senate. 

 

(Biden actually had a good idea on this back at the time too btw, that Iraq should be split into three governing authorities - one for the Sunnis, one for the Shias, and one for the Kurds. This would have prevented the surge of ISIS from ever taking hold, as would their Syria position.)

 

From a 2016 interview - 

 

"And it has," Biden said, going on to say that the United States should not use force unless the interests of the country or its allies are directly threatened, whether it can be done "efficaciously" and whether it can be sustained.

The Iraq war vote gets overplayed big time and is taken completely out of context, and I'm not saying this just about Biden. It occurred in a post 911 era when presidents were still largely supported in foreign policy measures and there was a full court pressure with some highly respected people high up like Powell pushing the justification for it. Not questioning the motives in any way of those who voted against it, but when the time came for the vote it was known it was going to pass so it was something of a freebie.

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Amigo, there has to be a transition that isn’t strictly Medicare for All, regardless of how the bill is written. I’ve supported Medicare for All for a long time now. I still support it. When speaking

I know some people don't want to hear it, but it's going to be Bernie and if it is, he's gonna win. 

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Most of those wild and crazy socialist policies make perfect sense, and it's only the prospect of "illegal" immigrants benefiting that causes people to flip out.

 

Here's a hint, better they come here than shipping industry out of the country.  Restricting labor movement serves the feudalist rent seeking wealthy.

 

I'm no politician and this going to be shocking to some of you, but when capital moves more easily than labor it's the working people who get the shaft.

 

Immigrants feed America.  No need to be afraid.

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“Top former Obama administration officials are warning Democratic presidential candidates to back off from their proposals to decriminalize border crossings, saying that it's bad policy and a surefire general election loser that gives President Trump an opening on immigration.

 

In an op-ed in The Washington Post this week, former Obama Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said that decriminalization would attract hundreds of thousands of new migrants to the southern border. He described the proposal as "tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders."

 

“Several of former President Obama's top homeland security officials interviewed by The Hill went on the record to express shock and dismay after eight of the 10 Democratic presidential contenders on stage at the second night of the debate raised their hands when asked if they support the decriminalization of border crossings.”

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11 minutes ago, tgo said:

“Top former Obama administration officials are warning Democratic presidential candidates to back off from their proposals to decriminalize border crossings, saying that it's bad policy and a surefire general election loser that gives President Trump an opening on immigration.

 

In an op-ed in The Washington Post this week, former Obama Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said that decriminalization would attract hundreds of thousands of new migrants to the southern border. He described the proposal as "tantamount to declaring publicly that we have open borders."

 

“Several of former President Obama's top homeland security officials interviewed by The Hill went on the record to express shock and dismay after eight of the 10 Democratic presidential contenders on stage at the second night of the debate raised their hands when asked if they support the decriminalization of border crossings.”

Yep, but seemingly it is our fault for noting how idiotic it is not only policy wise but politically to say these things. Some of these posters need to get a grip, and by some really I only mean one. 

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21 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Yep, but seemingly it is our fault for noting how idiotic it is not only policy wise but politically to say these things. Some of these posters need to get a grip, and by some really I only mean one. 

It’s just almost as if a lot of these candidates *want* to lose to Trump. Or don’t really care as long as they make their ideological point. 

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1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Yep, but seemingly it is our fault for noting how idiotic it is not only policy wise but politically to say these things. Some of these posters need to get a grip, and by some really I only mean one. 

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Really though. I think Jeh's wrong. This wouldn't be a big deal (i.e. increase immigration by hundreds of thousands) as it's actually been proposed.

 

If you look at his points from his WaPo opinion piece

 

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Second, we cannot, as some Democratic candidates for president now propose, publicly embrace a policy to not deport those who enter or remain in this country illegally unless they commit a crime. This is tantamount to a public declaration (repeated and amplified by smugglers in Central America) that our borders are effectively open to all; this will increase the recent levels of monthly apprehensions at our Southern border — about or more than 100,000 — by multiples. For the same reason, we cannot formally decriminalize unauthorized entry into this country, though first-time illegal border crossers are in fact rarely prosecuted for that misdemeanor (except for last year’s disastrous “zero-tolerance” policy).

This is where I think he's misrepresenting the issue. He's saying if you only deport criminals, and then say unauthorized border-crossing isn't a crime then you can't deport people. But that's not the proposal as I have seen it.

 

Decriminalizing these border-crossings doesn't mean the people are not subject to deportation. As he mentions, the illegal border-crossers were not even prosecuted for that crime, yet they were still deported.

 

Castro, who was the one who initially brought up the proposal in the debate, has said it would still be a civil offense. Removing the potential criminal penalty removes the ability to do what Trump has done, which Jeh says is bad.

 

This first quote from his WaPo piece is how he describes the Obama system he ran:

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The Obama administration’s immigration priorities for deportation included both those who committed major crimes and those who were apprehended at the Southern border. Those apprehended at the border were allowed to remain this country while their deportation and asylum cases proceeded to conclusion.

 

This Vox article explains the system when border-crossing is decriminalized:

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[Under the Castro proposal], an immigrant crossing into the US without papers, whether he was seeking asylum in the US or coming for some other reason, would not be committing a federal crime. If caught by Border Patrol agents, she’d be detained for a brief amount of time, but if she didn’t raise any red flags, she’d be released into the US (with a case management system to check up on her whereabouts) pending an immigration hearing. If she didn’t qualify for some form of legal status like asylum, she’d still ultimately be ordered deported from the US.

 

Sounds... pretty similar, no?

 

https://www.vox.com/2019/6/26/18760665/1325-immigration-castro-democratic-debate

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18 hours ago, Mercalius said:

Careful @tgo, you’ll be called alt right if you agree with him, but Tim Pool has made several videos recently summarizing a lot of what you’re saying.  

 

 

Instead of rightfully trying to steal votes away from Trump to actually win the election- the left has instead opted for divisive, extremist takes that only pander to a demographic that’s already going to vote blue and likely push moderates Red in 2020.  But yeah, how about those trans abortion rights and reparations!  ?

I think this video deserves to be listened to.  

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The biggest thing that can be done for the families coming over seeking asylum is provide assistance in their home countries with climate change and help them grow crops and fix those issues. Trump ended this when he became president. It's gotten way worse under Trump. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Rogue said:

I think this video deserves to be listened to.  

He's a complete joke and completely dishonest. 

 

All he does is trash democrats and is constantly backing the case for Trump support("Orange man bad"). Dems are fighting for Transgenders abortion rights? Dems want open borders! 

 

He's making the immigration case that got the Republicans creamed in the mid terms. I'd like to know why this guy thinks 3 million Trump voters voted straight Dem in the mid terms? 

 

He supported Bernie last time and now dropped Bernie and is supporting Yang and Gabbard. Yang and Gabbard are polling at 1 and 0%, GTFO. He just setting up the narrative the "fake media" is cheating again like last time.

 

This dude is a right wing shill, I saw many people make the same claim too 

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