Democratic Nomination for 2020 - UPDATED to include those who have officially announced

[Starkiller]

Mike Gravel announced he is running. But not to try to win, just to make the debates.

 

Sigh...

 

 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Starkiller

[Titans279]

1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

Mike Gravel announced he is running. But not to try to win, just to make the debates.

 

Sigh...

 

 

Pretty wild. His whole campaign is basically being run by some leftist teens. 

 

Bil DeBlasio is running apparently. 

 

 

 

Also the debates will be a shit show. Apparently if enough candidates qualify they might enforce both rules, 65,000 donations and polling requirements 

 

https://twitter.com/davidwright_cnn/status/1124379248339374080?s=21

 

[begooode]

1 minute ago, Soxcat said:

I can't wait.  Getting that many tards in one room arguing....

Imagine 20 of these:

,... still won't add up to the epic lying, dumbassery, and sheer incompetence of one deranged Donald

[ChesterCopperpot1]

Great thread from Elizabeth Warren back in 2004. 

 

 

I am starting to lean with @Legaltitan: Warren is too smart to be president. She could do much more good in Congress. That said, if she wins the Dem nomination, I will happily vote for her. 

[Legaltitan]

1 hour ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

Great thread from Elizabeth Warren back in 2004. 

 

 

I am starting to lean with @Legaltitan: Warren is too smart to be president. She could do much more good in Congress. That said, if she wins the Dem nomination, I will happily vote for her. 

Yeah when I say she isn't presidential material it is as much a compliment as it is a critique.

 

That said, I am warming more and more to her as a candidate. The further the Native American debacle is in the rearview mirror, and the more Warren just does Warren, the warmer I get.

 

She is a hell of force, there's no doubt about it. What I am really starting to like about her is I think she can be a good compromise for the Bernie crowd. I would bet most of the Bernie supporters (other than the Bernie Bros) have he and Warren 1 and 2, or 1 and 1a. One good thing about Warren is that she might be the only candidate that could appeal to both establishment Dems, due to her time in the Senate, and Bernie folks, due to her progressive bonafides. 

[tgo]

5 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

Yeah when I say she isn't presidential material it is as much a compliment as it is a critique.

 

That said, I am warming more and more to her as a candidate. The further the Native American debacle is in the rearview mirror, and the more Warren just does Warren, the warmer I get.

 

She is a hell of force, there's no doubt about it. What I am really starting to like about her is I think she can be a good compromise for the Bernie crowd. I would bet most of the Bernie supporters (other than the Bernie Bros) have he and Warren 1 and 2, or 1 and 1a. One good thing about Warren is that she might be the only candidate that could appeal to both establishment Dems, due to her time in the Senate, and Bernie folks, due to her progressive bonafides. 

I think the idea of her appealing to establishment Dems is laughable. I have yet to hear of an establishment Democrat that would support Warren. 

 

What do you mean by progressive bona fides? Just with her ideas you mean?

 

Because she hasn't done shit in her entire time in the Senate. 

 

What's the difference between Warren and Bernie, really?

 

It's the same group of progressives supporting the two of them. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by tgo

[Titans279]

No establishment Democrats would support Warren? What?

[freakingeek]

Shit, I just had to post in this thread because we were stuck on 666 posts. Didn't want the christians saying we're in cahoots with beelzebub.

[Legaltitan]

3 hours ago, tgo said:

I think the idea of her appealing to establishment Dems is laughable. I have yet to hear of an establishment Democrat that would support Warren. 

I'm pretty sure she is a respected and liked member of the Senate. By definition, that makes her connected to the establishment.

 

3 hours ago, tgo said:

What do you mean by progressive bona fides? Just with her ideas you mean?

 

Because she hasn't done shit in her entire time in the Senate. 

Huh? Consumer Protection Bureau, just for starters.

 

3 hours ago, tgo said:

 

What's the difference between Warren and Bernie, really?

 

It's the same group of progressives supporting the two of them. 

Quite a bit. I think Warren is more in favor of free market solutions, and in fact fixing the imbalance in the market and making it more free, than Bernie.

[oldschool]

3 hours ago, tgo said:

I think the idea of her appealing to establishment Dems is laughable. I have yet to hear of an establishment Democrat that would support Warren. 

 

What do you mean by progressive bona fides? Just with her ideas you mean?

 

Because she hasn't done shit in her entire time in the Senate. 

 

What's the difference between Warren and Bernie, really?

 

It's the same group of progressives supporting the two of them. 

Warren is light years better than Bernie. She is at least a real Democrat. Bernie is who Trump's team wants to win the nomination.tbink about that for a second...

[tgo]

12 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

I'm pretty sure she is a respected and liked member of the Senate. By definition, that makes her connected to the establishment.

 

Huh? Consumer Protection Bureau, just for starters.

 

Quite a bit. I think Warren is more in favor of free market solutions, and in fact fixing the imbalance in the market and making it more free, than Bernie.

Yeah, you're that she was the first Consumer Financial Protection Special Advisor for Obama and she also chaired the Congressional Oversight Panel which was an advisory group to help administer TARP (As a side note, her successor was Biden's right hand man - Ted Kaufman), but this was all before she was in Congress. I'm just saying she's accomplished nothing as a legislator. She's a great administrator and she'd be great as a cabinet member/administrator/adviser. 

 

Warren may be for more free market solutions to a small degree, but she's also more extreme when it comes to aggressive anti-trust policy from what I've observed. She has a lot of great ideas, but for every great idea she has, she seems to have 2 terrible/unrealistic ideas. 

 

Edited May 7, 2019 by tgo

[tgo]

5 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Warren is light years better than Bernie. She is at least a real Democrat. Bernie is who Trump's team wants to win the nomination.tbink about that for a second...

How is she a "real Democrat" more-so than Bernie? I guess you mean because Sanders has been an independent-socialist previously? 

 

Point taken, but Warren was actually a Republican until 1996 when she was already in her mid-forties. This kind of works against my previous point, but fun fact. 

 

Anyway, I'll give you guys that Warren is better than Sanders I guess. 

 

When it comes to people I would hate to have to vote for in the Democratic primary, Sanders would be a 10 and Warren would probably be an 8 or 9. So yeah, slightly better. 

 

Let's hope that neither one of them get nominated, because that would spell great news for Trump. Believe it or not, Warren was the only top 10 Democrat to lose to Trump in the latest poll. 

Edited May 7, 2019 by tgo

[ctm]

4 hours ago, tgo said:

I think the idea of her appealing to establishment Dems is laughable. I have yet to hear of an establishment Democrat that would support Warren. 

 

What do you mean by progressive bona fides? Just with her ideas you mean?

 

Because she hasn't done shit in her entire time in the Senate. 

 

What's the difference between Warren and Bernie, really?

 

It's the same group of progressives supporting the two of them. 

Bernie is a self-proclaimed socialist with socialist baggage.  Warren is an avowed capitalist who thinks it needs to be reformed to protect and help the working class.  And btw, she was the originator of the Consumer Financial Protection bureau.

[begooode]

28 minutes ago, tgo said:

When it comes to people I would hate to have to vote for in the Democratic primary, Sanders would be a 10 and Warren would probably be an 8 or 9. 

Why so down on Warren, and where do you think her policy proposals lose your support?

 

On the flipside, I don't consider myself a super leftie, but I just don't find Biden particularly inspiring.  Not to pre-judge and I want to see the debates before I get locked in, but Biden seems to represent a call back to a political environment that somehow gave rise to the Trumpers.  I'm on board with Mayor Pete's sentiments, that we really need a new era, a political phoenix to rise from the painful scorched earth politics that gave us the Trump right.

[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, tgo said:

How is she a "real Democrat" more-so than Bernie? I guess you mean because Sanders has been an independent-socialist previously? 

Well, for one, She is a Democrat and Bernie isn’t...

 

 

1 hour ago, tgo said:

Yeah, you're that she was the first Consumer Financial Protection Special Advisor for Obama and she also chaired the Congressional Oversight Panel which was an advisory group to help administer TARP (As a side note, her successor was Biden's right hand man - Ted Kaufman), but this was all before she was in Congress. I'm just saying she's accomplished nothing as a legislator. She's a great administrator and she'd be great as a cabinet member/administrator/adviser. 

What would you expect her to have accomplished in the Senate when most of her time spent there was as a member of the minority party?