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Democratic Nomination for 2020 - UPDATED to include those who have officially announced

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Official:

Beto O'Rourke

Julian Castro

Tulsi Gabbard

John Delaney

Kamala Harris

Elizabeth Warren

Pete Buttigieg

Corey Booker

Jay Inslee

Bernie Sanders

Amy Klobuchar

Andrew Yang

John Hickenlooper

Kristen Gillibrand

Tim Ryan

Rep Seth Moulton 

 

Have all but officially announced/formed exploratory committees/hired campaign staff:

Eric Swalwell

Steve Bullock

Joe Biden

 

Other Possible Candidates: 

Andrew Gillum

Stacey Abrams

Michael Bennett

 

Unlikely or Declined: 

Terry mcauliff

Sherrod Brown

Hillary Clinton

Michael Bloomberg

Eric Holder

Mitch Landrieu

John Kerry

Tom Steyer

Jeff Merkley

Tim Kaine

Michelle Obama

Chris Murphy

Michael Avenatti

Deval Patrick

Andrew Cuomo

Martin O'Malley

Oprah Winfrey

Eric Garcetti

Richard Ojeda

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I keep hearing people say Beto is too far left, but what am I missing? He is certainly unapologetically left of center, but you look at his stance on the issues and nothing jumps out to me. All seems pretty standard stuff: banning assault rifles and high-capacity magazines is probably the most left one, but that's a fairly mainstream position. He's for a public option, and while not opposed to single payer is not making that a cornerstone of his position on healthcare. So certainly left of Bernie there. He's not a hard core environmentalist. Honestly I haven't looked enough at his policy positions, but he seems cut from a similar cloth, policywise, as Obama.

 

I think with alot of things, too, it's all about packaging. Bernie was the most left of center person in a long time that had a legit shot at being President, yet many didn't see him that way because he was a pretty pragmatic and plain spoken guy. I think usually folks that are too left to win nationally are doomed because they just seem like everyone's idea of an out of touch leftist. Like a Warren, or like John Kerry was. Personality matters. Arguably, it matter more than anything. And with Beto being certainly way right of Bernie, and having a nice personality and the ability to speak plainly to folks, I just don't see him having any problem at all connecting.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

I keep hearing people say Beto is too far left, but what am I missing? He is certainly unapologetically left of center, but you look at his stance on the issues and nothing jumps out to me. All seems pretty standard stuff: banning assault rifles and high-capacity magazines is probably the most left one, but that's a fairly mainstream position. He's for a public option, and while not opposed to single payer is not making that a cornerstone of his position on healthcare. So certainly left of Bernie there. He's not a hard core environmentalist. Honestly I haven't looked enough at his policy positions, but he seems cut from a similar cloth, policywise, as Obama.

 

I think with alot of things, too, it's all about packaging. Bernie was the most left of center person in a long time that had a legit shot at being President, yet many didn't see him that way because he was a pretty pragmatic and plain spoken guy. I think usually folks that are too left to win nationally are doomed because they just seem like everyone's idea of an out of touch leftist. Like a Warren, or like John Kerry was. Personality matters. Arguably, it matter more than anything. And with Beto being certainly way right of Bernie, and having a nice personality and the ability to speak plainly to folks, I just don't see him having any problem at all connecting.

 

 

Bernie is literally a Democratic-Socialist. 

 

Can you imagine the field day they'd have? He's also even more ancient than Biden

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9 Nines   

Michigan governor-elect, Gretchen Whitmer is getting a lot of attention for how well she ran her campaign.  Her focus as governor will be on rebuilding Michigan's schools (ruined be Betsy Devos's charter system in Michigan), roads and water system.  

 

She has appeal to Midwesterners which is where the 2020 electoral college fight might be.  So if she makes good progress on those issues in Michigan, she might have enough appeal. 

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37 minutes ago, tgo said:

Bernie is literally a Democratic-Socialist. 

 

Can you imagine the field day they'd have? He's also even more ancient than Biden

He listen you're preaching to the choir here, I'm not a Bernie guy, but yet there are many people who voted for Trump who said they would have voted for Bernie. Until I see evidence otherwise, gotta consider him the early frontrunner.

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Just now, Legaltitan said:

He listen you're preaching to the choir here, I'm not a Bernie guy, but yet there are many people who voted for Trump who said they would have voted for Bernie. Until I see evidence otherwise, gotta consider him the early frontrunner.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-2020-biden/joe-biden-leads-potential-2020-democratic-field-reuters-ipsos-poll-idUSKCN1NC0P1

 

From last night. 

 

"Biden received 29 percent of the support.

Senator Bernie Sanders, an independent who made an unsuccessful run for the Democratic nomination in 2016, finished second in the hypothetical field with 22 percent. The rest of the poll was tied between Senators Cory Booker of New Jersey, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Kamala Harris of California."

 

Obviously it's incredibly early and things could and will change. 

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That's a name recognition poll only, but fair point.

 

Biden has tried to get the nomination before and failed, and now his best days are behind him. 2016 was his time, but his son died so sometimes that's the way things go, and certainly it was the right call to not run at that time.

 

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Just now, Legaltitan said:

That's a name recognition poll only, but fair point.

 

Biden has tried to get the nomination before and failed, and now his best days are behind him. 2016 was his time, but his son died so sometimes that's the way things go, and certainly it was the right call to not run at that time.

 

I think he can pull the union vote and run on a "return to normalcy and calm" platform. Grandpa Joe and all that. Decades of experience. He may be gaffe prone and grabby but running against Trump cancels this out in terms of a general election. 

 

 

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Don't even want to think about it.  The process will sort out the pretenders from the contenders and besides, I want to hear what they have to say and how they perform under pressure.

 

But in general I prefer someone new.  Hillary is an absolute no and both Bernie and Biden would have a high bar to cross for me.

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31 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

That's a name recognition poll only, but fair point.

 

Biden has tried to get the nomination before and failed, and now his best days are behind him. 2016 was his time, but his son died so sometimes that's the way things go, and certainly it was the right call to not run at that time.

 

Biden enabled Clarence Thomas.  A lot of democratic women know this and if they don't now, it will come out.

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1 hour ago, 9 Nines said:

Michigan governor-elect, Gretchen Whitmer is getting a lot of attention for how well she ran her campaign.  Her focus as governor will be on rebuilding Michigan's schools (ruined be Betsy Devos's charter system in Michigan), roads and water system.  

 

She has appeal to Midwesterners which is where the 2020 electoral college fight might be.  So if she makes good progress on those issues in Michigan, she might have enough appeal. 

She'd have to start running in about 8 months.  As a newly elected, first term governor, I don't think that works.

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