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Questions around Mariota overshadow a really poor start for Vrabel

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6 minutes ago, patsplat said:

Hayes saw the RB going upfield and dropped contain to lower his head and cut Mariota's legs.

 

Cheap shot to injure Mariota?  Hell fucking yes. Don't be an idiot.

You're also an idiot there... He literally followed contain because Mariota faked a run out wide

 

You don't think he was supposed to contain who went out wide and the next guy makes the tackle inside?

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Just now, wiscotitansfan said:

You're also an idiot there... He literally followed contain because Mariota faked a run out wide

 

 You don't think he was supposed to contain who went out wide and the next guy takes inside?

It's less clear from the close in shots, but from the wider shots Hayes is tracking the RB until the ball is handed off and the RB goes between the tackles... when he changes direction and cuts Mariota.

 

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3 minutes ago, patsplat said:

It's less clear from the close in shots, but from the wider shots Hayes is tracking the RB until the ball is handed off and the RB goes between the tackles... when he changes direction and cuts Mariota.

 

YES because he is supposed to contain the guy who is going to be a threat to take it outside! Once Henry is heading straight for the gang tackle and not a threat to get outside his job is done with the RB.

 

He realized Henry wasn't the guy who he was supposed to cover and IMMEDIATELY headed towards Mariota

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1 minute ago, patsplat said:

It's less clear from the close in shots, but from the wider shots Hayes is tracking the RB until the ball is handed off and the RB goes between the tackles... when he changes direction and cuts Mariota.

 

The DE's job is contain and keying off the QB. By staying with Mariota he forced the inside handoff which freed him up to hit Mariota. There was nothing wrong with what he did. If teams are going to run RPOs defenses will hit the QB before the whistle. Football 101.

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11 minutes ago, oldschool said:

The DE's job is contain and keying off the QB. By staying with Mariota he forced the inside handoff which freed him up to hit Mariota. There was nothing wrong with what he did. If teams are going to run RPOs defenses will hit the QB before the whistle. Football 101.

Except he didn't stay with Mariota, he came off the RB after Mariota handed the ball off.

 

It's obvious from the normal view, less so from the low zoomed in view.

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1 minute ago, patsplat said:

Except he didn't stay with Mariota, he came off the RB after Mariota handed the ball off.

 

It's obvious from the normal view, less so from the low zoomed in view.

Yes, he ran towards the spot where the ball was... once it was handed off and Henry ran between the tackles and Mariota faked a run outside he hit the guy he was supposed to contain.

 

This is freshman level football

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Just now, patsplat said:

Maybe Hayes forgot his assignment and made a dangerous play to keep Mariota out of the play.  Who knows.

 

It was still a cheap shot.

Dude, just shut up already. He followed his assignment to a T

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Just now, patsplat said:

Except he didn't stay with Mariota, he came off the RB after Mariota handed the ball off.

 

It's obvious from the normal view, less so from the low zoomed in view.

Not to be a dick but did you play football? I played DE and TE and I'm telling you the RB is not the DE's responsibility there. The DE has to keep contain and force the ball inside. In the case of an RPO or QB option the DE stays with the QB in case it's a fake. 

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1 minute ago, wiscotitansfan said:

Yes, he ran towards the spot where the ball was... once it was handed off and Henry ran between the tackles and Mariota faked a run outside he hit the guy he was supposed to contain.

 

This is freshman level football

This made me laugh as I literally learned this concept during two-a-days my freshman year of high school 25 years ago.

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3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

Not to be a dick but did you play football? I played DE and TE and I'm telling you the RB is not the DE's responsibility there. The DE has to keep contain and force the ball inside. In the case of an RPO or QB option the DE stays with the QB in case it's a fake. 

...Or the RB if he runs outside on a sweep and the QB is the inside threat to run with the ball.

 

Either way, he's not taking the guy cutting upfield between the tackles like Patsplat said himself

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8 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said:

...Or the RB if he runs outside and the QB is the inside threat to run with the ball.

 

Either way, he's not taking the guy cutting upfield between the tackles like Patsplat said himself

if the RB runs wide it's usually the OLB on that side that has contain; mainly because the DE likely has to deal with a T or TE where as the OLB can flow to a spot and turn the ball back inside. On an option or RPO the DE has the responsibility to force the QB to pitch or hand off.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, oldschool said:

if the RB runs wide it's usually the OLB on that side that has contain. if its a QB running wide it's the DE mainly because the DE likely has do deal with a T or TE where as the OLB can flow to a spot and turn the ball back inside.

I played backup OLB in highschool so clearly I know what I'm talking about lol (and sadly enough still understand it more than some people)

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26 minutes ago, oldschool said:

The DE's job is contain and keying off the QB. By staying with Mariota he forced the inside handoff which freed him up to hit Mariota. There was nothing wrong with what he did. If teams are going to run RPOs defenses will hit the QB before the whistle. Football 101.

To be fair to forum posters Vrabel didn't know this which is something he should have been aware of. It's a bit more specific to the NFL I guess so maybe it's not "101" but still... 🤨

 

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On Monday, Vrabel reiterated he asked referee Jerome Boger about the hit, and was told it was legal since he was executing a fake.

 

“Again, I asked him: I said, 'Are we going low?,'” Vrabel said on Monday. “And Jerome was like, ‘Yeah, if he is carrying out a fake.’ As long as that is the rule, we just have to do business as business is being done. For every quarterback that is carrying out a fake, we’ll have to do it the same way.

 

“That’s what I told (defensive coordinator) Dean (Pees). I said, ‘Dean, if that is legal, we have to do it the same exact way. We have to do business as business is being done.'”

https://www.titansonline.com/news/hot-topics-from-mike-vrabel-s-monday-press-conference

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