Legaltitan Posted August 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Manafort lawyers blaming gates for everything. The no 1 guy is saying no 2 is the real bad guy. That's a bold move cotton let's see if it pays off. Justafan, Pragidealist, and reo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 Judge Napolitano said Paul Manafort was already exonerated eight years ago on these same charges and Rod Rosenstein was the lawyer who exonerated him. Time to call Rod in as a witness! Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Legaltitan said: Manafort lawyers blaming gates for everything. The no 1 guy is saying no 2 is the real bad guy. That's a bold move cotton let's see if it pays off. One problem, Gates was broke and Manafort had 60 mill. Besides that there will be a clear paper trail. Manafort is hoping for one or two Trump supporters to cause a hung jury. It's not impossible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Legally that wouldn't be possible. I haven't heard anyone bring this up but the Judge. He was not indicted 8 years ago after investigation. I think the judge overstated using the word exonerated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) Headed for hung jury: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634696356/former-federal-state-prosecutor-worries-about-jury-nullification-in-manafort-tri All it takes is one juror who believe even a fraction of the stuff that die-hard Trump supporters believe and then no matter what the evidence is, that person would not convict. Edited August 2, 2018 by 9 Nines OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 4 hours ago, 9 Nines said: Headed for hung jury: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634696356/former-federal-state-prosecutor-worries-about-jury-nullification-in-manafort-tri All it takes is one juror who believe even a fraction of the stuff that die-hard Trump supporters believe and then no matter what the evidence is, that person would not convict. Exactly what I was saying Trump’s tweets are intended for Manafort’s jury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 The Q crew are in full effect! #keepdreaming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Manafort is hoping for one or two Trump supporters to cause a hung jury. It's not impossible Certainly it is possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 It is hard to believe that some guy who worries about getting audited by the IRS if he claims $1,000 worth of phony deductions would go to the mat for a fraudster and money launderer, but that shit does happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Little Earl said: Judge Napolitano said Paul Manafort was already exonerated eight years ago on these same charges and Rod Rosenstein was the lawyer who exonerated him. Time to call Rod in as a witness! Well man, there is always hope that a money launderer and fraudster who did the dirty work of a Russian-backed strongman in Ukraine, and who was Putin's public relations spokesman in trying to destabilize our NATO allies in Eastern Europe, and who had a hand in orchestrating the invasion of Crimea, will get away scott free! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Here's what I don't get. The same folks that cry "Drain the Swamp!" are cheering for Manafort here. Manafort is about as swampy as it gets. The guy has made millions off of the swamp and his connections from the swamp, and then used those swampy connections to make tens of millions selling out his country for some two-bit dictator. Isn't this the kind of people folks want to see locked up? Mueller is your biggest champion if you want to clean out the swamp. Omar, PetroleroTitanico, Starkiller, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 BTW, this potential for jury nullification is emblematic of why that visual imagery of the ostrich skin jacket is effective. If there is someone on that jury planning to hand the whole thing to stick it to Mueller or whatever, I think it is a very good idea to point out why the jury should not be sympathetic to Manafort. Make sure they know that he is in no way shape or form one of them. Or even like what they think of when they think of Trump. In an otherwise very boring trial, the one thing everyone has remembered and talked about is that fucking ostrich skin jacket. Imagery works. It is the trial lawyer's most effective tool. The fucking guy sold himself out and violated the law for the ability to wear ostrich skin jackets. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, ben4titans said: Virtually no one thinks Manafort is innocent. However, the swamp has had years to prosecute this case and they didn't. Not until he became part of the Trump campaign and this case could be used to squeeze him. It is the type of political prosecution that should be repugnant to anyone who values civil liberties and proper govt. It wasn't until 2016 that Manafort tried to use his new-found influence as the manager of the Trump campaign to secure bank loans he otherwise wouldn't have been able to get by dangling offers to be a part of the Trump administration. GTFOH with that B.S. Getting away with financial crimes for years doesn't mean he should continue to get away with them. John Gotti got away with countless crimes for decades (since the 60's) as a member and later head of the Gambino crime family and it wasn't until 1992 that the feds could finally bring a solid case against him and lock his ass up. Nothing nefarious about that. PetroleroTitanico, begooode, and Jamalisms 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Somewhere between "swamp" and "civil liberties" I got lost there. How is prosecuting someone who "virtually no one thins is innocent" for his crimes a violation of that person's civil liberties? What fucking difference does it make how long it took to indict him, as long as it is within the statute of limitations? Poor Manafort got to continue buying his rugs and laundering his money and playing Putin's puppet in Eastern Europe for an extra 8 years. Do people not realize how difficult these cases are to prosecute and prove? Mythos27, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeFan Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Legaltitan said: BTW, this potential for jury nullification is emblematic of why that visual imagery of the ostrich skin jacket is effective. If there is someone on that jury planning to hand the whole thing to stick it to Mueller or whatever, I think it is a very good idea to point out why the jury should not be sympathetic to Manafort. Make sure they know that he is in no way shape or form one of them. Or even like what they think of when they think of Trump. In an otherwise very boring trial, the one thing everyone has remembered and talked about is that fucking ostrich skin jacket. Imagery works. It is the trial lawyer's most effective tool. The fucking guy sold himself out and violated the law for the ability to wear ostrich skin jackets. How about just laying out facts? Here is the law and here is how he broke it. I am under the opinion that he is slime. However, when you have to show a jacket to help prove your case, maybe it is not so air tight. Edited August 2, 2018 by LongTimeFan freakingeek, and Jamalisms 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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