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Manafort plea deal includes forfeiture to the government of $46m in assets. Mueller to date has spent under $20m on his investigation.   The dude is locking up bad guys, draining the swamp a

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11 hours ago, Legaltitan said:

Manafort lawyers blaming gates for everything. The no 1 guy is saying no 2 is the real bad guy. 

 

That's a bold move cotton let's see if it pays off. 

One problem, Gates was broke and Manafort had 60 mill. 

 

Besides that there will be a clear paper trail. 

 

Manafort is hoping for one or two Trump supporters to cause a hung jury. It's not impossible

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8 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

Legally that wouldn't be possible. I haven't heard anyone bring this up but the Judge.

He was not indicted 8 years ago after investigation.  I think the judge overstated using the word exonerated.  

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Headed for hung jury:

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634696356/former-federal-state-prosecutor-worries-about-jury-nullification-in-manafort-tri

 

All it takes is one juror who believe even a fraction of the stuff that die-hard Trump supporters believe and then no matter what the evidence is, that person would not convict. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, 9 Nines said:

Headed for hung jury:

 

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634696356/former-federal-state-prosecutor-worries-about-jury-nullification-in-manafort-tri

 

All it takes is one juror who believe even a fraction of the stuff that die-hard Trump supporters believe and then no matter what the evidence is, that person would not convict. 

 

 

Exactly what I was saying 

 

Trump’s tweets are intended for Manafort’s jury

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13 hours ago, Little Earl said:

Judge Napolitano said Paul Manafort was already exonerated eight years ago on these same charges and Rod Rosenstein was the lawyer who exonerated him.   Time to call Rod in as a witness!

Well man, there is always hope that a money launderer and fraudster who did the dirty work of a Russian-backed strongman in Ukraine, and who was Putin's public relations spokesman in trying to destabilize our NATO allies in Eastern Europe, and who had a hand in orchestrating the invasion of Crimea, will get away scott free!

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Here's what I don't get. The same folks that cry "Drain the Swamp!" are cheering for Manafort here.

 

Manafort is about as swampy as it gets. The guy has made millions off of the swamp and his connections from the swamp, and then used those swampy connections to make tens of millions selling out his country for some two-bit dictator.

 

Isn't this the kind of people folks want to see locked up? Mueller is your biggest champion if you want to clean out the swamp.

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BTW, this potential for jury nullification is emblematic of why that visual imagery of the ostrich skin jacket is effective.

 

If there is someone on that jury planning to hand the whole thing to stick it to Mueller or whatever, I think it is a very good idea to point out why the jury should not be sympathetic to Manafort. Make sure they know that he is in no way shape or form one of them. Or even like what they think of when they think of Trump.

 

In an otherwise very boring trial, the one thing everyone has remembered and talked about is that fucking ostrich skin jacket. Imagery works. It is the trial lawyer's most effective tool. The fucking guy sold himself out and violated the law for the ability to wear ostrich skin jackets.

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13 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

Virtually no one thinks Manafort is innocent. However, the swamp has had years to prosecute this case and they didn't. Not until he became part of the Trump campaign and this case could be used to squeeze him. It is the type of political prosecution that should be repugnant to anyone who values civil liberties and proper govt. 

It wasn't until 2016 that Manafort tried to use his new-found influence as the manager of the Trump campaign to secure bank loans he otherwise wouldn't have been able to get by dangling offers to be a part of the Trump administration. GTFOH with that B.S. Getting away with financial crimes for years doesn't mean he should continue to get away with them. John Gotti got away with countless crimes for decades (since the 60's) as a member and later head of the Gambino crime family and it wasn't until 1992 that the feds could finally bring a solid case against him and lock his ass up. Nothing nefarious about that.

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Somewhere between "swamp" and "civil liberties" I got lost there. How is prosecuting someone who "virtually no one thins is innocent" for his crimes a violation of that person's civil liberties?

 

What fucking difference does it make how long it took to indict him, as long as it is within the statute of limitations? Poor Manafort got to continue buying his rugs and laundering his money and playing Putin's puppet in Eastern Europe for an extra 8 years. Do people not realize how difficult these cases are to prosecute and prove?

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52 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

BTW, this potential for jury nullification is emblematic of why that visual imagery of the ostrich skin jacket is effective.

 

If there is someone on that jury planning to hand the whole thing to stick it to Mueller or whatever, I think it is a very good idea to point out why the jury should not be sympathetic to Manafort. Make sure they know that he is in no way shape or form one of them. Or even like what they think of when they think of Trump.

 

In an otherwise very boring trial, the one thing everyone has remembered and talked about is that fucking ostrich skin jacket. Imagery works. It is the trial lawyer's most effective tool. The fucking guy sold himself out and violated the law for the ability to wear ostrich skin jackets.

How about just laying out facts? Here is the law and here is how he broke it. I am under the opinion that he is slime.  However, when you have to show a jacket to help prove your case, maybe it is not so air tight.

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