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begooode   
3 minutes ago, 9 Nines said:

“The quarter hour (9-9:15 p.m. ET) containing the president’s speech drew a combined 28.1 household rating in metered markets on ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, CNN, Fox News and NBC. The following 15 minutes, including analysis and the Pelosi-Schumer rebuttal, averaged 29.3 across those same networks, a bump of about 4 percent.”

I'm sure in TrumpWorld it goes something like:  *Yeah, but you'd have to divide that by 2 since there were 2 of them.  I had the much bigger audience!!*

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23 minutes ago, begooode said:

I'm sure in TrumpWorld it goes something like:  *Yeah, but you'd have to divide that by 2 since there were 2 of them.  I had the much bigger audience!!*

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4 hours ago, ctm said:

The threat of declaring a national emergency was designed to increase viewership for his telemarketing scam.

 

There are also a few questions raised for the TV networks who in 2014 denied president Obama time for an immigration speech because they thought it was too political.

 

1.  What changed this time?  Was it because Trump repeatedly bashes the media and they were intimidated?

 

2.  Were the networks aware when they made the decision to grant time that Trump was fundraising off of it?

It was because they thought it would be good ratings.  

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begooode   

Emphasis added, so we can have complete clarity regarding ownership of the shutdown

 

"I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO," Trump tweeted after the meeting, adding: "I said bye-bye, nothing else works!" 

 

McCarthy at the Capitol after the meeting also disputed accounts that Trump lashed out. "The president turned to Nancy — and it was all very calm — and he asked her, ‘OK, if I open up the government, in 30 days could we have border security?’ And she said, ‘No, not at all.’”

 

Pressed on Trump's precise request, McCarthy said, “He may have said 'border wall.'"

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424616-pence-says-trump-passed-out-candy-and-didnt-raise-his-voice-in

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ctm   

The dept. of homeland security funding that the republican senate passed at the end of December almost unanimously contained 1.5B for border security, just no money for the wall.

 

This shutdown started in December when republicans controlled both houses of congress and after Trump had 2 years to get his wall funded by them.

 

Why is there an emergency on the border now?  What has changed?

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Btowner   
5 hours ago, Soxcat said:

Amazingly this crisis is no different than it has been since 2006 (secure fence act for 700 miles) when Dems and Pubs agreed that we needed border security.  In fact Reagan allowed amnesty with the provision that the border would be secure.  So for literally decades congress has let us down.  We still have drugs, gangsters, criminals, human trafficking pouring over our border.  Finally we have a president with the balls to do what all these other presidents said they would do but didn't.  After all, Trump has no different view and perspective than presidents and law makers before him from both parties.   

 

You still don't get it. It doesn't take balls to want to build the wall. It takes idiocy. You really are drunk on Tang.

 

Everyone wants border security. I noticed you didn't mention the wall in your post. Trump is fighting for a wall. There have been greater and smarter men in the White House. If you think a wall would prevent drugs, gangsters, criminals, and human trafficking don't you think one of those smarter or greater men would have created it?

 

What makes you think Trump would know more about the border than presidents Reagan (8 years) or the Bushes (12 years) who actually governed or lived in border states? In 20 combined years as POTUS, wouldn't they have created this wall? While Trump is ranting about a wall, do you hear anything from the governors of the border states? Ted Cruz loves to jump in front of a camera, has he stood beside Trump clamoring for a wall? Rick Perry served three terms as the governor of Texas and is Trump's Secretary of Energy. Have you seen him backing up Trump's claims of needing a wall?

 

The reason they are not standing besides Trump is they know what you and other Trump sheeple refuse to acknowledge. This is a manufactured crisis and facts from DHS and the Border Patrol does not support Trump's lies or the simpleton idea of a wall preventing 4000 terrorists from crossing the border.

 

 

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Btowner   
8 hours ago, TitansFan777 said:

I wouldn't mind a traditional wall with drones/other smart wall technology etc. in some spots (urban areas such as Laredo, El Paso, San Diego, and other urban areas would probably be best served this way) and solely a smart wall in others (dictated by terrain, less urban populations and analytics into the apprehension rates/crossings etc). There is a reconciliation between these two types of walls that works best, and will also allow for minimal disruption to landowners who are being threatened by just 1 long wall. The eminent domain cases for this alone would last a decade or more.

 

There is a right way to build this as an effective buffer between two nations. Unfortunately, Trump is dead set on this wall to appeal to his base, as well as to have a monument to himself.

 

The issue is certainly there - even if it may be overblown. The orange man is unfortunately dead set on a wall at all costs - including shutting down the government. Holding hundreds of thousands of people's livelihoods hostage though is the absolute wrong thing to do.

 

Finally, if they really care about drugs pouring in, look no further than places like the Port of LA and other inbound shipping points throughout the country. Look at luggage more effectively (the TSA and those who search both checked bags as well as carry-on bags is a joke and just security theater). Most drugs/narcotics come through legal entry points that are nowhere near the border.

 

Before being nominated for Secretary of Energy, Rick Perry said the same thing:

"I’m for Donald Trump, and he says we’re going to build a wall, the Mexicans are gonna pay for it," Perry said during a Snapchat interview with Peter Hamby. "It’s not going to happen," Hamby remarked.


"Well, it’s not," Perry responded. "It’s a wall, but it’s a technological wall; it’s a digital wall. There are some that hear this is going to be 1,200 miles from Brownsville to El Paso, 30-foot high and listen, I know you can’t do that," Perry said, referring to border towns on the edges of Texas."

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/287203-perry-on-trumps-mexico-wall-its-a-digital-wall

Edited by Btowner

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Btowner   
Just now, OILERMAN said:

Why was nothing done the first two years?

Why was nothing done when  Bush I and 2 were in the White House or when Republicans controlled the House and Senate during Obama's term? Why wasn't McCain and every congressman from Arizona, New Mexico and Texas obtaining endorsements to send a bill with funds for a wall to the sitting POTUS?

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