Tariffs are working

[Justafan]

2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said:

So if the Dems are just as poor as Republicans in the area that is your primary concern with the GOP, that should make the GOP the better party in your opinion, right?

 

That’s not what I said at all. I don’t think either party is the ‘better’ party. Both parties have heroes and villains and both parties have policies I support and policies I hold in contempt.

 

The Dems, from my point of view are a necessary part of the voice of a represented people. So is the GOP. Honestly, the federal government works best when all of the checks and balances are working and empowered.

 

Thats why I tend to support moderate positions and candidates with a history of working across the aisle or at least respect for the opposing POV and condemn the extremists. If Kasich had won the election for instance you would see much more support from me for the GOP because he cares about a lot of the things I care about such as balancing the budget.

 

Right now, we’re living in a version of Madison’s nightmare and I will oppose it because I believe it’s terrible for our country and I owe my kids something better to look up to than the trash leaders currently serving.

[Legaltitan]

On 10/1/2018 at 2:03 PM, Justafan said:

That’s not what I said at all. I don’t think either party is the ‘better’ party. Both parties have heroes and villains and both parties have policies I support and policies I hold in contempt.

 

The Dems, from my point of view are a necessary part of the voice of a represented people. So is the GOP. Honestly, the federal government works best when all of the checks and balances are working and empowered.

 

Thats why I tend to support moderate positions and candidates with a history of working across the aisle or at least respect for the opposing POV and condemn the extremists. If Kasich had won the election for instance you would see much more support from me for the GOP because he cares about a lot of the things I care about such as balancing the budget.

 

Right now, we’re living in a version of Madison’s nightmare and I will oppose it because I believe it’s terrible for our country and I owe my kids something better to look up to than the trash leaders currently serving.

Well said.

 

Honestly setting aside potential investigations, a Democratic Congress could be the best thing to happen to Trump. 

[Jamalisms]

@IsntLifeFunny

https://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-trump-tariff-trade-war-us-china-2018-10?fbclid=IwAR2EHfr4qkYnLJj6AYl_nzC_MW9WhmDxx7QV6yi4DRvqwFqA3tnXG_wV3OQ

['Nator]

President Trump is in imbecile who knows nothing. Of COURSE he is going fuck up the economy. 

 

The longer he is in office, the more we will see it as the hangover effect from the excellent economy he inherited wears off and his actual policies take effect. 

 

If the Dems win the House he will just blame it all on them in 2020. 

[Downtown]

@ben4titans doesn’t even read or listen to news. It’s clear he listens to right wing entertainment-only sites that attempt to rile up their viewers. It’s only the intellectually weak that interpret those opinions as “news.”  

 

Just seems 

[Downtown]

3 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

Fixed it for you.

Weak

[MadMax]

6 minutes ago, Downtown said:

@ben4titans doesn’t even read or listen to news. anything not sanctioned by the mother land.

 

Fixed it right.

[Jamalisms]

1 hour ago, ben4titans said:

Poor Jamal, cheering on China over the US to own Drumpf.

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. Noting effect is rooting for bad results if the effect noted is poor. Just like the media is the enemy of the people if reports of events notes something negative about the Fuhrer. Just like victims of violence are to blame for attacks, instead of the people encouraging violence (the people voted by attackers, even).

 

As always, you have a firm grasp on events. Definitely no gas-lighting and results driven commentary here.

[IsntLifeFunny]

5 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

@IsntLifeFunny

https://www.businessinsider.com/gdp-trump-tariff-trade-war-us-china-2018-10?fbclid=IwAR2EHfr4qkYnLJj6AYl_nzC_MW9WhmDxx7QV6yi4DRvqwFqA3tnXG_wV3OQ

Do I need to provide you with a graph of China’s stock market?  My premise was correct. Their market is in a free fall that outpaces the US in 2008. Of course there is collateral damage. That’s obvious. 

[Legaltitan]

23 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Do I need to provide you with a graph of China’s stock market?  My premise was correct. Their market is in a free fall that outpaces the US in 2008. Of course there is collateral damage. That’s obvious. 

But how does that mean the tariffs are "working?" The purpose of the tariffs was not just to wreck China's economy. Or maybe it was. Just like what Trump says and does doesn't matter, so long as it "ownz teh libz."

 

So, if the purpose of the tariffs was simply to hurt China's economy, then, congrats?

[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, Legaltitan said:

But how does that mean the tariffs are "working?" The purpose of the tariffs was not just to wreck China's economy. Or maybe it was. Just like what Trump says and does doesn't matter, so long as it "ownz teh libz."

 

So, if the purpose of the tariffs was simply to hurt China's economy, then, congrats?

The purpose is to remain the hegemon and preeminent economy in the world...so yes, wrecking China’s economy. By that measure they have been successful. 

Edited October 30, 2018 by IsntLifeFunny

[titanruss]

On 10/30/2018 at 2:23 AM, IsntLifeFunny said:

Do I need to provide you with a graph of China’s stock market?  My premise was correct. Their market is in a free fall that outpaces the US in 2008. Of course there is collateral damage. That’s obvious. 

looks fine to me boss.. 

[titanruss]

14 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The purpose is to remain the hegemon and preeminent economy in the world...so yes, wrecking China’s economy. By that measure they have been successful. 

i dont know the purpose in trumps head. if you and him think our 400 million people are going to be the worlds lead economy in 15-20 years, you are insane. they have 4x the people and india has even more. 40 years and we are probably 3rd. 

 

the effect is to make the trade game fair again... we give china free shit for years while they tax our imports and tax their exports... all because of greed. greed that a bunch of republicans built and let run unkempt. 

 

china got rich because we invested there. the only hope for slowing them is to make their counterparts grow.. korea, vietnam, india,... manufacturing is going there. and to some extent mexico. still wont slow them much. 

 

now to make it fair we just tax the same as them. i like the trade war as a means to make things fair again. 

 

if the goal is to bring manufacturing home or to "remain the economic world power" then whoever believes either of those things is possible is either a retarded idiot or just doesnt know a damn thing about global industry in the modern world. 

 

 

[Legaltitan]

23 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The purpose is to remain the hegemon and preeminent economy in the world...so yes, wrecking China’s economy. By that measure they have been successful. 

Oh my understanding was the tariffs were enacted to force China to enter negotiations on a trade deal more favorable to the United States. The reason I think that is because that is the reason we were told, and continue to be told, for enacting the tariffs. I didn't set the bar for success, Trump and his economic dream team did.

 

So, given we do not have a new trade deal with China, then I believe it is too early to proclaim the tariffs were a success.

 

If the reason for the tariffs was simply to wreck China's economy, unfoerseen consequences be damned, then that is even dumber than the stated reason.

[ctm]

With some U.S. farm products getting slammed by retaliatory tariffs, the Trump administration is prepared to start its emergency plan for agriculture right after Labor Day in a "three-pronged approach" that will initially include about $6 billion in aid.

 

The U.S. Department of Agriculture said in its announcement that it is authorized to provide up to $12 billion in aid to the agricultural industry. On Monday, though, the department said initial aid will consist of about $4.7 billion in payments to agricultural producers of seven commodities, as well as federal government purchases of up to $1.2 billion in certain "commodities unfairly targeted by unjustified retaliation."

 

Soybean farmers stand to get the biggest share of nearly $4.7 billion in payments in the Market Facilitation Program, which also will provide payments to producers of corn, cotton, dairy, hog, grain sorghum and wheat starting Sept. 4.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/27/trump-farm-bailout-to-provide-6-billion-dollars-in-initial-relief.html

 

The US is now borrowing a record amount of money from China (by selling treasury bills to finance the record deficit) in part to bailout US  farmers because they can't sell their products to China.  Brilliant.... the tariffs must be working.