Mueller drops new indictments: 12 Russian GRU in their official cpacity

[Btowner]

12 minutes ago, reo said:

Lol republicans so desperately want the investigation to end.

 

This is just another stage. Next will be linking Americans to what the Russians did.

 

What this really does is prove just how much Mueller knows. Dude got the names of the Russian GRU officials involved. You think he doesn't know the Americans involved too?

In 2017, there were reports that Aaron Nevins, a GOP consultant in Florida received data from Guccifer, gave it to other consultants and even posted it on a blog. Mueller interviewed Nevins in 2017! No one knows how much Mueller knows and that's why Trump and Giuliani are cynically trying to smear his investigation.

 

From the article:

Learning that hacker “Guccifer 2.0” had tapped into a Democratic committee that helps House candidates, Mr. Nevins wrote to the hacker to say: “Feel free to send any Florida based information.”

 

Ten days later, Mr. Nevins received 2.5 gigabytes of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee documents, some of which he posted on a blog called HelloFLA.com that he ran using a pseudonym.

 

Soon after, the hacker sent a link to the blog article to Roger Stone, a longtime informal adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, along with Mr. Nevins’ analysis of the hacked data.

 

"Whether the collaboration impacted any elections is unclear. But at least one campaign consultant adjusted his strategy based on the stolen data set Nevins received. “I did adjust some voting targets based on some data I saw from the leaks,” Anthony Bustamante, who served as a campaign consultant to Republican congressional candidate Brian Mast, told the Journal. Mast won."

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/gop-operative-russian-hacker-gave-him-2016-voter-data

[reo]

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David Rothkopf: “This is an extraordinary moment. It is without equal not only in American history but in modern history. A hostile foreign power intervened in our election to help elect a man president who has since actively served their interests and has defended them at every turn.”

“Trump may deny collusion. But given that this the attack continues, denying it is collusion, distracting from it is collusion, obstructing the investigation of it is collusion — because all these things enable it to go on.”

“That the president is abetted in his aid for the Russians — again, in the midst of this ongoing attack — by the leadership of the Republican Party makes the situation all the more extraordinary and dangerous. As they seek to undermine the investigation, they serve Russia as directly as if they were officers of the GRU.”

New York Times: “Whether it is Russia’s interference in the election, its annexation of Crimea or its intervention in Syria, Mr. Trump’s statements either undercut, or flatly contradict, those of his lieutenants. The disconnect is so profound that it often seems Mr. Trump is pursuing one Russia policy, set on ushering in a gauzy new era of cooperation with Mr. Putin, while the rest of his administration is pursuing another.”

 

https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/14/trump-is-colluding-with-russia-now/

 

[Justafan]

25 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

What?????    This in no way proves anything regarding Trump.    Even Dershowitz says this proves their should never have been a special prosecutor appointed.   I think we can all agree that Dershowitz is smarter than you.

Says the conservative parrot.  It lays out how the Russians did it and who was involved.  We already know that the Trump team reached out to these people and tried to collude.  It is now beyond the scope of imagination that it just didn't happen.  The only defense left is the Trump was too stupid to know what was going on defense, which admittedly might be true.  

[PetroleroTitanico]

19 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

Because he received far more electoral votes than the other candidate. Good chance he wins in 2020 as well. Enjoy.

He did. With the aid of the Russian army. We now know that.

 

If he’s still around to run in 2020 it’ll only be possible if the United States of America have in all practicality ceased to exist.

[ctm]

Dershowitz has already written a book  that says there was no crime committed and therefore there can be no impeachment.

 

1. Dershowitz hasn't seen all the evidence, so he has no way of knowing what crimes, if any, have been committed.

 

2.  Dershowitz goes further to base his book and argument on the statement that collusion isn't a crime.   Well, no kidding genius.    The underlying crime is computer fraud and assisting in that is conspiracy.  Both of which are crimes.

 

Dershowitz is in the business of selling books to the rubes.  In that sense he is smart.  A lot smarter than his buyers who can't see thru his weak arguments.

[ctm]

49 minutes ago, Btowner said:

In 2017, there were reports that Aaron Nevins, a GOP consultant in Florida received data from Guccifer, gave it to other consultants and even posted it on a blog. Mueller interviewed Nevins in 2017! No one knows how much Mueller knows and that's why Trump and Giuliani are cynically trying to smear his investigation.

 

From the article:

Learning that hacker “Guccifer 2.0” had tapped into a Democratic committee that helps House candidates, Mr. Nevins wrote to the hacker to say: “Feel free to send any Florida based information.”

 

Ten days later, Mr. Nevins received 2.5 gigabytes of Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee documents, some of which he posted on a blog called HelloFLA.com that he ran using a pseudonym.

 

Soon after, the hacker sent a link to the blog article to Roger Stone, a longtime informal adviser to then-candidate Donald Trump, along with Mr. Nevins’ analysis of the hacked data.

 

"Whether the collaboration impacted any elections is unclear. But at least one campaign consultant adjusted his strategy based on the stolen data set Nevins received. “I did adjust some voting targets based on some data I saw from the leaks,” Anthony Bustamante, who served as a campaign consultant to Republican congressional candidate Brian Mast, told the Journal. Mast won."

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/gop-operative-russian-hacker-gave-him-2016-voter-data

Another article here about how the Russians attacked the Democratic Campaign Congressional Committee (DCCC) and assisted congressional republican candidates.  And we wonder why they are protecting Trump.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/house-democrats-hacking-dccc.html

 

The intrusions in House races in states including Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Illinois, New Mexico and North Carolina can be traced to tens of thousands of pages of documents taken from the D.C.C.C., which shares a Capitol Hill office building with the Democratic National Committee.

 

The document dump’s effectiveness was due in part to a de facto alliance that formed between the Russian hackers and political bloggers and newspapers across the United States. The hackers, working under the made-up name of Guccifer 2.0, used social media tools to invite individual reporters to request specific caches of documents, handing them out the way political operatives distribute scoops. It was an arrangement that proved irresistible to many news outlets — and amplified the consequences of the cyberattack.

 

By September, Guccifer 2.0 had expanded his releases to include documents related to House races in Pennsylvania, New Hampshire, Ohio, Illinois and North Carolina, working with individual political bloggers like Miscellany Blue in New Hampshire.

 

Guccifer 2.0 even posted a cache of confidential documents focusing on Representative Ben Ray Luján, Democrat of New Mexico, the chairman of the D.C.C.C., who faced no serious challenger this year. Mr. Luján said it was a clear effort to send a message to the party leadership — that the hackers wanted to try to hurt Democrats at all levels of the party, from lesser known races in Florida to the leadership.

 

After the first political advertisement appeared using the hacked material, Mr. Luján wrote a letter to his Republican counterpart at the National Republican Congressional Committee urging him to not use this stolen material in the 2016 campaign.

“The N.R.C.C.’s use of documents stolen by the Russians plays right into the hands of one of the United States’ most dangerous adversaries,” Mr. Luján’s Aug. 29 letter said. “Put simply, if this action continues, the N.R.C.C. will be complicit in aiding the Russian government in its effort to influence American elections.”

 

Ms. Pelosi sent a similar letter in early September to Mr. Ryan. Neither received a response. By October, the Congressional Leadership Fund, a “super PAC” tied to Mr. Ryan, had used the stolen material in another advertisement, attacking Mr. Garcia during the general election in Florida.

 

AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Mr. Ryan, said he did not control how the material was used in the ad, although she did not dispute that the material had been stolen as part of an act of Russian espionage.

[IsntLifeFunny]

Welp this shit is officially getting deep. No person who loves this country should support an iota of this. 

[thor]

18 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Welp this shit is officially getting deep. No person who loves this country should support an iota of this. 

Follow the money!!! Follow the money!!! Follow the money!!!  

[IsntLifeFunny]

“We agree to disagree with Russia on that from the”. Real tough words right there. 

[IsntLifeFunny]

lol and saying his admin is tougher on Russia because he was forced into sanctions is retarded and laughable. So he’s selling some weapons to the Ukraine. Okay. He’s also handing over Syria...so. Stop being a retard. 

[OzTitan]

9 hours ago, TennesseeTuxedo said:

It is pretty funny, that none of these supposed "Russians" hackers will never appear in a court room.

 

How do they know it was even hacked? They have not even looked at the server for forensic evidence nor do they even have the server.

 

Notice that Mueller and Rosenstein said that there was no collusion?

 

 

You don't need the server, necessarily. There is more than 1 hop between hacker and server in any Internet based hack, potentially many more. Probably more like 10-20 potential points where collections could be happening, deep packet inspection etc.

 

Any decent hacker would probably clean up on their target anyway, and remove evidence such as log entries that suggested their presence. In such cases you'd actually rely on proxies or gateway devices to put the pieces together.

[OzTitan]

9 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The new talking points we will all see: 

 

The indictments prove no Americans were involved and Trump is obviously not under investigation. 

 

The indictment shows the speed of the transfer could only have been done by a thumb drive, proving it was an internal leak. 

 

@OzTitan

 

I don’t know enough about the computer world to have a definitive thought on that second one, but judging the way it is being discussed on forums it would seem to me to be categorically false. 

I haven't read the indictment enough to know about its implications on transfer speed, but if it's along the lines already speculated I did have some thoughts on it:

 

 

In that case the speed is inconclusive and basically bordering on either a reasonably fast remote connection to the server or reasonably slow local access. However as also stated file modification times are simply not reliable and could easily be tampered with.

[IsntLifeFunny]

9 minutes ago, Rolltide said:

Obama did not send any weapons to the Ukraine. None! That was tough right? Not sending weapons to fight the Russians? What is a tougher policy toward Russia sending no weapons at all or sending Javelin anti tank missiles and other lethal weapons? Come on now even a dolt like you can understand that. 

 

The sanctions occurred before Trump took office you dolt. Has Trump wanted to lift those sanctions? No. 

 

Good job pretending to be an independent. 

 

 

All of this is out of context. Trump is handing Russia Syria. Which do you think is more important of the two situations? If there was a trade off with Russia choosing between the two what do you think Russia is choosing? 

 

Of course he doesn’t want the sanctions in place. He waited months before implementing them. 

 

And did you just say something about me being an actual independent when you slobber Trump at every opportunity? I wish I thought you were joking, but you aren’t. 

[OzTitan]

45 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

You don't need the server, necessarily. There is more than 1 hop between hacker and server in any Internet based hack, potentially many more. Probably more like 10-20 potential points where collections could be happening, deep packet inspection etc.

 

Any decent hacker would probably clean up on their target anyway, and remove evidence such as log entries that suggested their presence. In such cases you'd actually rely on proxies or gateway devices to put the pieces together.

Okay after reading the technical parts of the indictment the assertions definitely would required evidence collected 'over the wire' - using proxies and other middleware devices to trace actions. It also does specifically mention the actors tried to clean up their actions on the targets once it was known a cyber security firm was engaged.

 

So there is no need for the target server in this case, and in fact it would provide very little of the overall picture. I'll leave it up to the reader to ponder why perhaps the evidence from such middleware and transparent network infrastructure sources can't be publicly discussed in detail.

 

Maybe I missed it, but given the indictment outlines use of US based servers in Illinois and Arizona, it's possible they were used for initial remote file copies, so achieving transfer speeds of 200Mb/s would be more than possible and quite likely.

 

This all reads as a very complex hack to piece back together given the various pivoting needed to get to the DNC mail server and the very likely disparate locations of other evidence they had to collate. It's a very good piece of work to be able to assert what they have.

[IsntLifeFunny]

16 minutes ago, Rolltide said:

We are not handing Russia Syria you dumb shit. We are doing what Israel wants. Israel's main concern was ISIS and Iran. They feel they can better deal with an Asad led Syria. What an idiot do you actually think Putin will be the president of Syria?

 

Tell me again how Syria is so much more important than the Ukraine. 

 

 

But for many of America’s allies in the region, who say they have little understanding of Trump’s long-term strategy in Syria, there is growing anxiety about what he is prepared to offer Putin in exchange for help in attaining what he says is his primary goal of expelling Iran.

Among the possibilities raised by senior officials in a number of regional governments, some of which also concern administration officials, are that Trump will agree to a partial or complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria — as both Syria and Russia have demanded — or even to recognize Russia’s annexation of Crimea and drop U.S. sanctions.

 

Removing the 2,200-strong U.S. military contingent in Syria, however, is seen as a more realistic possibility. Trump’s suggestion earlier this year that the United States would withdraw troops from Syria “very soon,” widely interpreted to mean six months, continues to create confusion within the U.S. military as well as among Washington’s regional partners.

 

Israel, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and others, according to senior Middle Eastern officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity of name and country to avoid publicly questioning Trump, agree that such a step would be disastrous, eliminating whatever leverage the United States still has to push for an acceptable outcome in Syria.

 

Assad’s recent offensive in southwestern Syria, bordered by Jordan and the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, is a case in point. The area had been largely peaceful since last summer, when Putin and Trump endorsed a cease-fire deal that froze Russian-backed Syrian government forces and U.S.-backed opposition fighters in place along a demarcation line patrolled by Russian police.

 

Late last month, however, Assad’s forces, aided by Russian airstrikes and Iranian-directed militias, began heading south from Damascus for an announced takeover of the area. As the offensive got underway, the administration publicly denounced Russia for violating the cease-fire agreement, even as it privately told regional allies that it would not oppose the move and messaged opposition forces that they would get no assistance and were better off giving up.

 

The administration apparently asked Russia for nothing in return. As refugees from ground attacks and Russian bombing fled to nearby borders, and humanitarian organizations warned of catastrophe, Israel and Jordan turned to Moscow to ensure that their interests would be protected.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/with-trump-strategy-unclear-us-allies-turn-to-moscow-to-secure-their-interests-in-syria/2018/07/14/0a2a3b34-8551-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html?utm_term=.6fb921ee793c

 

Better luck next time RT.