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China Imposes Tarrifs on 128 US imports.(update: EU imposes billions in Tarrifs on US)

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Justafan   

All my life, conservatives have touted the benefits of free trade and how it has made the entire world wealthier and lifted millions out of poverty.  They are cowards to not stand up to Trump on their fundamental beliefs.  Now they say we just have to wait and see because we don't know if this will work or not.  But we do know.  These models have been tried in the past and failed.  

 

I'm not against protecting American workers and it is about time someone in our government stood up to the ridiculous intellectual property theft the Chinese have been engaging in for years but trade wars are not easy to win and the world is a poorer, less stable, and less safe place than it could be because of these irresponsible policies.  

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Justafan   
5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

What Trump has done more than anything is expose the lies and hypocrisy of conservative Republicans. They didn't mean any of it. Spending, family values, law enforcement etc.... all BS.

 

They care about deregulation and tax avoidance for their corporate donors, that's it. 

He’s empowered the worst of the GOP and severely damaged the most level headed moderates who had any chance of actually healing the country and governing in good faith.

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Justafan   
2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Worst of the GOP? Level headed moderates? They are 100%united. See Lindsey Graham and the rest of the lot. They vote down the party line. The GOP hasn't governed in years and years. There is no "worst of the GOP", just the GOP. 

 

One Republican read the Mueller report and called for impeachment. The rest of the party turned on him and cast him out of the party. 

 

They were always full of shit 

I sympathize with your point of view but don’t really agree with it. The political reality is much more complicated than you are making it out to be.  Yes republican leaders have cow-toed to Trump because the voting base required it. Several prominent GOP leaders have left because of it. 

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begooode   
3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Worst of the GOP? Level headed moderates? They are 100%united. See Lindsey Graham and the rest of the lot. They vote down the party line. The GOP hasn't governed in years and years. There is no "worst of the GOP", just the GOP. 

 

One Republican read the Mueller report and called for impeachment. The rest of the party turned on him and cast him out of the party. 

 

They were always full of shit 

gotdammit.  I'm trying to argue against this. 

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ctm   

Farm Discontent Spills Over as Ag Secretary Is Confronted in Minnesota

 

Farmers’ discontent over President Donald Trump’s escalating trade war with China erupted into the open Wednesday as his agriculture secretary was confronted at a fair in rural Minnesota.

 

Gary Wertish, president of the Minnesota Farmers Union, drew applause as he leveled criticism of the administration’s trade policy at a forum with Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue in front of thousands of farmers gathered in a metal barn for a panel discussion.

 

American farmers took a fresh financial hit from Trump’s trade war over the weekend as China announced a halt to all U.S. agricultural imports after the president threatened Beijing with another tariff increase.

 

Wertish criticized Trump’s “go-it-alone approach” and the trade dispute’s “devastating damage not only to rural communities.” He expressed fears Trump’s $28 billion in trade aid will undermine public support for federal farm subsidies, saying the assistance is already being pilloried “as a welfare program, as bailouts.”

 

Others joined in. Brian Thalmann, president of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association, complained about Trump statements that farmers are doing “great” again. “We are not starting to do great again,” he said. “We are starting to go down very quickly.”

 

Joel Schreurs of the American Soybean Association warned American producers are in danger of long-term losses in market share in China, the world’s largest importer of soybeans.

 

U.S. Agricultural exports to China dropped by more than half in 2018 after the trade war began, falling from $19.5 billion in 2017 to $9.2 billion in 2018.

Major farm groups sounded an alarm earlier this week after China announced it was halting U.S. agriculture imports.

 

Zippy Duvall, president of the the American Farm Bureau Federation, the nation’s largest and most influential general farm organization, on Monday called the import cut-off “a body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by.”

 

Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union, the nation’s second-largest general farm group, said Trump’s “strategy of constant escalation and antagonism” has “just made things worse.”

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-07/farm-discontent-bubbles-over-as-perdue-confronted-in-minnesota

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Rogue   
3 hours ago, ctm said:

Farm Discontent Spills Over as Ag Secretary Is Confronted in Minnesota

 

Farmers’ discontent over President Donald Trump’s escalating trade war with China erupted into the open Wednesday as his agriculture secretary was confronted at a fair in rural Minnesota.

 

Gary Wertish, president of the Minnesota Farmers Union, drew applause as he leveled criticism of the administration’s trade policy at a forum with Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue in front of thousands of farmers gathered in a metal barn for a panel discussion.

 

American farmers took a fresh financial hit from Trump’s trade war over the weekend as China announced a halt to all U.S. agricultural imports after the president threatened Beijing with another tariff increase.

 

Wertish criticized Trump’s “go-it-alone approach” and the trade dispute’s “devastating damage not only to rural communities.” He expressed fears Trump’s $28 billion in trade aid will undermine public support for federal farm subsidies, saying the assistance is already being pilloried “as a welfare program, as bailouts.”

 

Others joined in. Brian Thalmann, president of the Minnesota Corn Growers Association, complained about Trump statements that farmers are doing “great” again. “We are not starting to do great again,” he said. “We are starting to go down very quickly.”

 

Joel Schreurs of the American Soybean Association warned American producers are in danger of long-term losses in market share in China, the world’s largest importer of soybeans.

 

U.S. Agricultural exports to China dropped by more than half in 2018 after the trade war began, falling from $19.5 billion in 2017 to $9.2 billion in 2018.

Major farm groups sounded an alarm earlier this week after China announced it was halting U.S. agriculture imports.

 

Zippy Duvall, president of the the American Farm Bureau Federation, the nation’s largest and most influential general farm organization, on Monday called the import cut-off “a body blow to thousands of farmers and ranchers who are already struggling to get by.”

 

Roger Johnson, president of the National Farmers Union, the nation’s second-largest general farm group, said Trump’s “strategy of constant escalation and antagonism” has “just made things worse.”

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-07/farm-discontent-bubbles-over-as-perdue-confronted-in-minnesota

I don't think they care.  

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begooode   

Trump from last year’s huge (not) rewrite of nafta, probably doesn’t think much of those who disagree with his unilateral tariff hammer mentality

 

,... "By the way, without tariffs, we wouldn't be talking about a deal," Trump said. "Just for those babies out there that talk about tariffs. That includes Congress. 'Oh please don't charge tariffs.' Without tariffs, we wouldn't be standing here."...

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ctm   
4 hours ago, Rogue said:

I don't think they care.  

That's not what the article says.  Apparently the farm leaders care a lot and they are probably just reflecting what their members are saying to them.  Farm bankruptcies are increasing, for example.

 

And, btw, it's not like democrats have to change all of their minds.  Farmers were part of Trump's base in the  Midwest.  Wisconsin was decided by 23K votes in 2016. Change 12.5K votes from Trump to a democrat and the state flips on that basis alone.

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1 hour ago, ctm said:

That's not what the article says.  Apparently the farm leaders care a lot and they are probably just reflecting what their members are saying to them.  Farm bankruptcies are increasing, for example.

 

And, btw, it's not like democrats have to change all of their minds.  Farmers were part of Trump's base in the  Midwest.  Wisconsin was decided by 23K votes in 2016. Change 12.5K votes from Trump to a democrat and the state flips on that basis alone.

Rogue wasn’t talking about those people. He was talking about the shitheads who post here and their ilk. 

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OILERMAN   
1 hour ago, ctm said:

That's not what the article says.  Apparently the farm leaders care a lot and they are probably just reflecting what their members are saying to them.  Farm bankruptcies are increasing, for example.

 

And, btw, it's not like democrats have to change all of their minds.  Farmers were part of Trump's base in the  Midwest.  Wisconsin was decided by 23K votes in 2016. Change 12.5K votes from Trump to a democrat and the state flips on that basis alone.

They def care

 

 

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