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19 minutes ago, thor said:

What's the crime "know it all"??? Besides the comments you're coming up with...you know your opinions...

Didn't @ben4titans teach you anything Thor? Opinions ARE fact on this site! In fact, you can have an entire account dedicated to presenting opinions as fact, right Ben?

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32 minutes ago, thor said:

What's the crime "know it all"??? Besides the comments you're coming up with...you know your opinions...

Care to just LET the goddamn investigation play out? We don't have all of the info yet. Let the American justice system do its due diligence and finish.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/11/trump-tower-meeting-russian-lawyer-raises-legal-qu/

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

While illegal foreign contributions typically take the form of money, legal experts told us it’s possible a court could find that "information" satisfies the legal requirement if it’s considered valuable to a campaign.

"Contributions definitely do not need to be in the form of cash to constitute a thing of value," said Michael S. Kang, a law professor at Emory University Law School. "However, it also needs to be said that this is an unusual situation quite unlike the usual context for an illegal foreign contribution, typically in the form of money rather than information."

Additional legally significant questions remain unanswered, experts said, including whether the younger Trump engaged in these actions "knowingly."

However, some experts noted that recently-surfaced facts substantially flesh out the evidence needed to show intent.

"The tweeted emails make things worse for Trump Jr.," said Michael Gerhardt, a professor at UNC School of Law. "He looks now as if he attended the meeting with not only his eyes open but also to acquire information -- something of value -- in violation of federal law."

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7 minutes ago, Downtown said:

Care to just LET the goddamn investigation play out? We don't have all of the info yet. Let the American justice system do its due diligence and finish.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/11/trump-tower-meeting-russian-lawyer-raises-legal-qu/

Federal law prohibits a foreign national from giving anything of value to a campaign engaged in a U.S. election. It’s also a crime to solicit a foreign national to do so, or even to "knowingly provide substantial assistance" in receiving something of value.

While illegal foreign contributions typically take the form of money, legal experts told us it’s possible a court could find that "information" satisfies the legal requirement if it’s considered valuable to a campaign.

"Contributions definitely do not need to be in the form of cash to constitute a thing of value," said Michael S. Kang, a law professor at Emory University Law School. "However, it also needs to be said that this is an unusual situation quite unlike the usual context for an illegal foreign contribution, typically in the form of money rather than information."

Additional legally significant questions remain unanswered, experts said, including whether the younger Trump engaged in these actions "knowingly."

However, some experts noted that recently-surfaced facts substantially flesh out the evidence needed to show intent.

"The tweeted emails make things worse for Trump Jr.," said Michael Gerhardt, a professor at UNC School of Law. "He looks now as if he attended the meeting with not only his eyes open but also to acquire information -- something of value -- in violation of federal law."

You spent that much time saying NOTHING...HERE...Another dem fishing expedition... :439_fishing_pole_and_fish:

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I thought the Russian Dossier was fake and all the work of Strike Force?

Different talking point today?  I'm so shocked.

Again, I don't blame you for diversion tactics, i'll only point out that it doesn't matter.  Trump Jr. is being asked to talk to SIC.  Let's just see if they ask Chalupa or any of these others to come testify as to collusion.  It's silly but by all means keep trying to justify one of the biggest scandals in American political history if it makes you feel better.  

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4 minutes ago, Justafan said:

 

 It's silly but by all means keep trying to justify one of the biggest nothingburger scandals in American political history if it makes you feel better.  

Fixed it for you.

 

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The law in question is not about paying out, rather it's about receiving.

If Clinton bought a Japanese car it wouldn't be a violation of election law.  But if her campaign was gifted a 300ZX it would be a different story.

Besides, the Ukraine didn't dox the GOP.

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2 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

Fixed it for you.

 

Yea, so nothing that an independent counsel has been appointed, there are at least 3 ongoing investigations now, people are being subpoenaed or at least threatened with subpoenas and the Trump team is lawyering the fuck up.

 

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1 minute ago, Justafan said:

Yea, so nothing that an independent counsel has been appointed, there are at least 3 ongoing investigations now, people are being subpoenaed or at least threatened with subpoenas and the Trump team is lawyering the fuck up.

 

They did the same thing with Valerie Plame investigation, and it was a big nothingburger!  

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2 minutes ago, Justafan said:

Yea, so nothing that an independent counsel has been appointed, there are at least 3 ongoing investigations now, people are being subpoenaed or at least threatened with subpoenas and the Trump team is lawyering the fuck up.

 

Is this "Independent Council" made up of panel of "Fair and Honest" Democrats???

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3 minutes ago, Little Earl said:

They did the same thing with Valerie Plame investigation, and it was a big nothingburger!  

Pretty sure Scooter Libby went to jail for perjury on that one and took the hit for the administration.  Karl Rove should have been investigated more in my opinion.  

 

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12 minutes ago, thor said:

Is this "Independent Council" made up of panel of "Fair and Honest" Democrats???

It is being headed by a life long republican. One who was widely praised by other republicans for being fair and impartial when he was appointed. He also gets to pick who he wants to help with the investigation, which he is adding more people today. 

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46 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

Hey, if it was GOP that colluded on this I am all ears. 

You didn't know the guy who created the dossier was originally being paid by GOP operatives? 

After Trump won the nomination some Democrat started funding him. 

Once Trump won the Dem stopped funding him, but Steele worked on his own and then delivered the dossier to the FBI.

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