OILERMAN Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 Joe Gibbs said he preferred getting big pass plays from heavy sets, it provided more opportunity to get down field out of play action Justafan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 4 hours ago, titanruss said: davis is faster than 4.5 He didn't run a 40, so I said something safe to avoid the argument. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 On June 2, 2017 at 3:34 PM, MIKE75 said: NFL defenses are repeatedly prioritizing speed over size. This season, look for offenses to counter by beefing up. Nice read. Thanks for posting. MIKE75 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 1 hour ago, JNew said: He didn't run a 40, so I said something safe to avoid the argument. Yet, it still caused one. Good ol' TR. XAEA12, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 6 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Opposite, all 3 WRs made big plays off of playaction in 1 WR sets and actually created big plays. Easy to say they did... but just as easy to say it limited the offensive output the first 4 and eventually last 4 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, StephenIsLegend said: Yet, it still caused one. Good ol' TR. No it didn't XAEA12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 I understood that the 3 WR heavy offense used by the Giants was one of the most predictable in the NFL last year -- esp with their inability to run effectively from it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, titanruss said: No it didn't YES IT DID! ARRRGGHH!! titanruss 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 47 minutes ago, begooode said: I understood that the 3 WR heavy offense used by the Giants was one of the most predictable in the NFL last year -- esp with their inability to run effectively from it. May be true. But who did the giants have at RB and who was their online? Also, this is about 1 or 0 WR sets... not about 2 or 3. We ran more 1 or 0 wr sets than anyone. Like 200 plays and the next closest was at 150. We had a great offense but we overdid it. It was definitely predictable even if we got 3-4 td's out of it its a complete fallacy to say we wouldn't have scored other ways, especially with the ability our QB has shown. The coaches are doing a decent job but they are over thinking things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 My wife has always told me "That's okay, honey....size doesn't really matter" EagleEye 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 28 minutes ago, titanruss said: May be true. But who did the giants have at RB and who was their online? Also, this is about 1 or 0 WR sets... not about 2 or 3. We ran more 1 or 0 wr sets than anyone. Like 200 plays and the next closest was at 150. We had a great offense but we overdid it. It was definitely predictable even if we got 3-4 td's out of it its a complete fallacy to say we wouldn't have scored other ways, especially with the ability our QB has shown. The coaches are doing a decent job but they are over thinking things. You seem to be grasping at straws a bit here. The only thing that matters is offensive efficiency along with, potentially, ball control for lesser defenses. "complete fallacy to say we wouldn't have scored other ways",... perhaps you're the one overthinking things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, begooode said: You seem to be grasping at straws a bit here. The only thing that matters is offensive efficiency along with, potentially, ball control for lesser defenses. "complete fallacy to say we wouldn't have scored other ways",... perhaps you're the one overthinking things? Yes and half the year we were very efficient and half we weren't. Though it wouldn't be the first time I've over thought things. I see the run pass ratios that win and I know how effective our QB was even in a shit offense his rookie year ( btw.. better completion % and didn't know how to throw the deep ball yet... match those up and see what happens), and I see some wasted time. Last year wasn't our sb year no matter what... so I guess the argument is for naught. If things don't change slightly towards a more open passing offense this year then we are seriously holding our QB back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 9 hours ago, titanruss said: yep and it hurt us too. hindered marcus, hindered the ability of the WR to get open. made us predictable. Our guys weren't getting separation no matter the formation. You put Mariota out there with five routes and no separation you're asking for disaster. I think we'll see more spread concepts this year with all the speed we've added. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 While we used 0 or 1 WR sets more than other teams, that still only amounted to 23% of the snaps. The other 77% was 2+ WR. In fact, our most common formation was 1 RB, 1 TE and 3 WR and we used that 401 snaps, which is almost 40% by itself. I posted this data before to show that 2 TE wasn't our most common set. Here it is again since it is relevant to this discussion. In this data, a WR is one of the WRs (Matthews, Sharpe, etc) and not a RB or TE lined up as a WR. Likewise, a FB is Fowler and not one of the TEs lined up as a FB. I differentiated between TE and OLTE, which is one of the OL (Kelly) lined up as a TE. Here are the number of plays including the pass/run percentage based on different personnel - 401 plays (77.1% pass, 22.9% run) 1 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE 192 plays (42.7% pass, 57.3% run) 1 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE 90 plays (31.1% pass, 68.9% run) 1 RB, 1 WR, 3 TE 78 plays (28.2% pass, 71.8% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 2 WR, 1 TE 65 plays (13.8% pass, 86.2% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 1 WR, 2 TE 47 plays (80.9% pass, 19.1% run) 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE 22 plays (22.7% pass, 77.3% run) 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 OLTE 22 plays (22.7% pass, 77.3% run) 1 RB, 1 WR, 2 TE, 1 OLTE 17 plays (11.8% pass, 88.2% run) 2 RB, 1 WR, 2 TE 16 plays (18.8% pass, 81.3% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 OLTE 14 plays (57.1% pass, 42.9% run) 1 RB, 4 WR 10 plays (30.0% pass, 70.0% run) 2 RB, 1 FB, 1 WR, 1 TE 9 plays (44.4% pass, 55.6% run) 2 RB, 3 WR 9 plays (11.1% pass, 88.9% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 2 TE, 1 OLTE 7 plays (100.0% pass, 0.0% run) 2 WR, 3 TE 5 plays (100.0% pass, 0.0% run) 3 WR, 2 TE 3 plays (33.3% pass, 66.7% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 3 WR 2 plays (0.0% pass, 100.0% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 3 TE 1 plays (0.0% pass, 100.0% run) 1 RB, 1 FB, 2 WR, 1 OLTE 1 plays (0.0% pass, 100.0% run) No QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 TE 1 plays (0.0% pass, 100.0% run) No QB, 2 RB, 1 WR, 3 TE begooode, MikeTn, OILERMAN, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 8 hours ago, begooode said: I understood that the 3 WR heavy offense used by the Giants was one of the most predictable in the NFL last year -- esp with their inability to run effectively from it. The Giants used 3 WRs 95% of the time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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