reo Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Here's what seems to have happened: Clinton called out Putin's "election" of being rigged and him being corrupt and the Russian election of being corrupt which pissed Putin off. Putin then decided to go all in and try and make the US election look corrupt. He enlisted his buddy Trump in running and they hacked the DNC and spread tons and tons of propaganda to make Clinton look crooked, sick and anything else. He built propaganda in an effort to make it seem like the system was rigged for her to win b/c they expected her to win. Trump played along and then peddled that propaganda while attempt to culminate in him calling the whole system corrupt just like Putin's opponents called the Russian elections. The expectations being that in the end Putin could point to this stuff and say "See? This happens there too" but then... Trump won proving 2 things. 1) Our system isn't corrupt. 2) (probably more worringly) the Russians can actually impact our elections. 'Nator 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 you need to stop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 3 hours ago, oldschool said: you need to stop. stop what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted April 1, 2017 Report Share Posted April 1, 2017 I watched his interview with Rachel Maddow last night. There is hard evidence the Russians were tampering with the election. Proving the collusion between the Ruskies and Trump will be a harder task. I believe there is enough evidence to take Trump down but getting to him is going to be a fight. He's insulated by too many people like Nunes. OILERMAN, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 Doesn't the U.S. have a long and "proud" history of tampering with elections around the world? Who do we think we are? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 Sockpuppets, Secessionists, and Breitbart While the FBI looks into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia and the role of far-right outlets in manipulating the media ecosystem, the Senate Intelligence Committee investigates Russia’s use of paid trolls and bots, and former high-ranking Trump administration officials offer testimony in exchange for immunity, new evidence points to a highly orchestrated, large-scale influence campaign that infiltrated Twitter, Facebook, and the comments section of Breitbart during the run up to the 2016 election. Tens of thousands of bots and hundreds of human-operated, fake accounts acted in concert to push a pro-Trump, nativist agenda across all three platforms in the spring of 2016. Many of these accounts have since been refocused to support US secessionist movements and far-right candidates in upcoming European election, all of which have strong ties to Moscow and suggest a coordinated Russian campaign. https://medium.com/data-for-democracy/sockpuppets-secessionists-and-breitbart-7171b1134cd5 freakingeek 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 LOL,... https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/04/03/the-russiagate-scam-will-blow-up-in-the-democrats-smug-faces-n2307707 Quote Even James Comey agrees that never happened, so now the Democrats are claiming that Russian social media bots used fake news to trick the previously Hillary-inclined electorate into voting against her. Basically, they’re saying Hillary’s supporters were easily duped idiots. Now, dummies have always been a key Democrat demographic. She clearly has a unique appeal to the stupid, the gullible, and the readily confused, making the voters she was counting on especially vulnerable to those cunning Russian clickbaiters operating from secret Macedonian villages. “Well, I was exploring the shocking real reason CHiPS went off the air, which was going to stun me, when I saw a story on OMGLinks that Hillary Clinton had an alien baby. Why, then I knew I had to vote for Donald Trump because I hate aliens. We got to build us a wall around space and make them Space Mexicans pay for it!” “I was using my portable computer machine to internet, and I was about to have my jaw dropped by what Joyce Dewitt of Three’s Company looks like today, when I saw the link to proof that Hillary and Bill Clinton are gun-grabbing devil worshipers. So I had to vote for Trump, because I cling to my guns and my religion and my other guns.” Their alternate version of You Stole My Morons! is that the release of the damning facts contained in John Podesta and Felonia von Pantsuit’s emails made people think she was terrible. People thought that because those emails showed, beyond any doubt, that she is terrible, and that her Democrat Party is less a political organization than a disorganized crime ring. Remember that when the media gets angry about the emails, the reason is that you got accurate information about the media’s partisan pals that the media wanted hidden from you. <Snip> Quote The whole stupid collusion thing has become a weird, Beautiful Mind-esque conspiracy theory with scores of Trumpaphobic loonies out there sharing their bizarre spider webs of intrigue via Twitter memes. Does Gorky Park have a grassy knoll? Regardless, it’s safe to say that there was absolutely no collusion of any kind between Team Trump and anyone Russian. None. How do I know this to a near certainty? Because we haven't seen anybody leak any evidence of any in the six-plus months that they've been pushing this nonsense. Nothing. But…but…but Ivan Ivanosky’s airplane was in Utah once and Utah has the Great Salt Lake and Trump put salt on his taco and ALL THE PIECES FIT! Nothing. (emphases are mine) I'd say that article sums this mess up nicely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted April 3, 2017 Report Share Posted April 3, 2017 33 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: LOL,... https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/04/03/the-russiagate-scam-will-blow-up-in-the-democrats-smug-faces-n2307707 <Snip> (emphases are mine) I'd say that article sums this mess up nicely. Very funny piece. This whole thing warrants legitimate investigation but I do think some are counting their chickens before they hatch. At worst I think Trump was a useful idiot who didn't see the problem with rooting on the unscrupulous Russian government hackers because they were doing his. It's unseemly and speaks to why he doesn't have the character to be president but it's going to be very hard to prove that he knowingly did illegal things. What I'm definitely sure of is that many of the people around him are guilty as sin, will go down, and it'll be yet another black eye for Trump. Most of the most damaging info that leaked against Hillary were her own words. Talking about having both a public and private face and making nice with bankers was devastating because it's what people suspected about her already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 @TitanDuckFan, that article makes about as much sense as color commentary on Sunday. Might as well assert that Trump has that "getting away from the cops speed" or that Hillary was "Whoa! ENGULFED!" How do you reconcile these two positions? That people are not influenced by what they read online, ie. that there's no way social media bots could have affected the election, vs That power players leaked to wiretaps about Trump to the press to influence people So which is it? Does the media influence people or not? If it does, then the social medial bots should at least be a "maybe". If it doesn't, then why is the leak a big deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, patsplat said: @TitanDuckFan, that article makes about as much sense as color commentary on Sunday. Might as well assert that Trump has that "getting away from the cops speed" or that Hillary was "Whoa! ENGULFED!" How do you reconcile these two positions? That people are not influenced by what they read online, ie. that there's no way social media bots could have affected the election, vs That power players leaked to wiretaps about Trump to the press to influence people So which is it? Does the media influence people or not? If it does, then the social medial bots should at least be a "maybe". If it doesn't, then why is the leak a big deal? That article makes perfect sense. Or are you just pissed because he called you a "Trumpaphobic loony?" LOL So ask yourself,... What provided the actual influence then pat? Was it the leaks? That they were so sloppy they got hacked? That podesta was too dumb, and fell for a phishing scam? Was it that registered Democrats were so smart they could never vote for someone that dumb? The media was totally in the tank for hillary. Pundits and anchors on CNN even said so on air! Or was it the content of the DNC emails proving to the voters that the leaders of the Democrat Party and the hillary campaign were a bunch of lying scumbags that were more than willing to subvert the electoral process? Even if it meant pissing off the Bernie Bros? Because I'm pretty damned sure if the leaked emails had been about nothing more than "yoga routines" or other mundane shit like "flower arrangements for Chelsea's wedding," nobody would have cared. And hillary would be living at 1600 again, and dear debbie despicable would have a plum job in the admin. Sorry dude, but it was all about the content. The Russians didn't tell anyone to stay home. Edited April 4, 2017 by TitanDuckFan Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 I tend to believe "bots" changing the outcome of the election is rather low. I didn't pay attention to that dumb shit and I still felt Hillary was in the tank for big dollar interests, and I might get a piece of the bone. Hillary had no message. As for the contents of the DNC shenanigans? I have my doubts about that too. Bernie supporters felt the same way about Hillary I did. Just another part of the machine. Bernie supporters were excited about Bernie....NOT Hillary. I'm just not convinced significant numbers didn't show up to vote for Hillary because of the DNC scandal. I don't think they were going to show with or without it. It's possible, I just don't think Russian involvement swung the election. Hillary was just a shit candidate that lost traditionally blue strongholds. One thing I think we can conclude with some degree of certainty is that Russia is actively trying to weaken US influence in the world. It appears we did the work for them. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranger Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 TDF, I don't know why anyone ever bothers to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. PatSplat asked a legitimate question and in your typical fashion, you respond with an all upper case LOL and an Ad Hominem as if that somehow strengthens your argument. Even if I don't agree with your point of view, you still make occasionally good points, that are unfortunately undermined by your juvenile posting antics when having a serious conversation. A good debate is lost trying to demean your opponent, but rather than debunking their stance, you're really only making your own point seem like it's unable to stand on its own merits, thus your LOL's and Ad Hominems. WG53 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 4/1/2017 at 8:34 AM, freakingeek said: I watched his interview with Rachel Maddow last night. There is hard evidence the Russians were tampering with the election. Proving the collusion between the Ruskies and Trump will be a harder task. I believe there is enough evidence to take Trump down but getting to him is going to be a fight. He's insulated by too many people like Nunes. You watched "Madcow Show" and now you think the Russians were tampering with elections??? Where have you been the Russians have been screwing with everything for years and years...Not just political, industrial, they went after yahoo not too long ago for information...You need to stop watching the "fake news" channels at midnight...LOL!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, Stranger said: TDF, I don't know why anyone ever bothers to try and have an intelligent conversation with you. PatSplat asked a legitimate question and in your typical fashion, you respond with an all upper case LOL and an Ad Hominem as if that somehow strengthens your argument. Even if I don't agree with your point of view, you still make occasionally good points, that are unfortunately undermined by your juvenile posting antics when having a serious conversation. A good debate is lost trying to demean your opponent, but rather than debunking their stance, you're really only making your own point seem like it's unable to stand on its own merits, thus your LOL's and Ad Hominems. I don't need to demean anyone here, too many of them do it themselves. When I read the article at least three threads here reminded me of exactly what the author talks about with these so-called experts trying to connect the dots. I posted it here because of the humorous element, and the fact that some of it applies to what I often read here. So much of what has taken place with this whole screwed up mess is clouded in a fog of obfuscation and misdirection. Especially from the DNC. If you believe otherwise you need a new perspective. Read the whole article, not just my snippets, and then see if you can support pat's argument. Because I can't. It's not worth my time, or yours. If anyone on the Dem side REALLY wanted to know how deep the Russians went into their communications, they would have turned over their computers to the FBI. They still haven't. The FBI is going entirely off the assessment(s) of CrowdStrike in the estimate of who hacked the Dems. This whole thing is just one. Big. Farce. Russian Bots are just the distraction/obfuscation of the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted April 4, 2017 Report Share Posted April 4, 2017 Jokes on you if you think newspapers -- LOL -- have more influence than Facebook. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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