10 A See Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 You guys seem to be pros at this, any advice you could give to a novice? I've been doing stock trading for about 8 months and I've had some stocks double in price one quintuple, but I know I still have a ton to learn. Any general advice or good buys for when this is over? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 39 minutes ago, 10 A See said: You guys seem to be pros at this, any advice you could give to a novice? I've been doing stock trading for about 8 months and I've had some stocks double in price one quintuple, but I know I still have a ton to learn. Any general advice or good buys for when this is over? The only advice I'd give you on stock trading is not to do it. Unless it's extra money after you've set up a retirement account and you can afford to lose it. ChemEngr79 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 7/24/2016 at 3:06 PM, TitanedUpSince'70 said: This is risk enough right there. With the break of the all time highs recently, the market in now supposedly in Wave 5 of the Elliot Wave. There is no 'top out target' from here on. It could 'theoretically' go to Dow 25k - 30k before it tops out, who knows. But even if it did top out near 30k before the next big correction, it may not go down to 17k again for many years after that, if ever. Long time to hold a wad of cash and not put it to work. Dropping from Dow 30k down to 17k again would be almost the same as it dropping from the Dow 18,500 range it's at now, back down to Dow 10k. Long ways to drop with no known catalyst to get it there, as of yet anyway. Good luck bro! lol You may indeed time it right, or you may not. You have good cash income coming in already, so you won't be hurting too bad either way. Holy shit this is prophetic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 11:31 PM, abenjami said: And now because I took this risk and gutted it out, in the end I am going to own a lot more shares than I would have. Let's be clear about something. Your original goal was get out because the market was reaching a high, you're premise was to jump out at a near high and get back in below 17k. From you in this thread: "Sell at the high, wait for the fall, buy back in. " You sold at 18,300, the market rose another 3.5 years and 11k on the dow. Timing the market consist of two parts. Getting out and then getting back in. You have completed one part, getting out as close to the high as possible. That was a complete failure. We're still waiting for part two, getting back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 16 hours ago, Jamalisms said: One of us lost a bunch of money and the other didn't. Shares have decreased in value(which happened constantly in the market), I haven't lost a dime. If I sell at some point in the future at a lower price than I purchased them then yes I will have lost money. We'll see if over the next 10 years plus if these shares are higher than they were at the high in Feb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 19 hours ago, abenjami said: He would rather buy now at $21k rather than the $7k he could have bought at in 2009? The best buying opportunities of our lifetimes are all way in the past. First of all you cannot buy in 09, it's gone. What he talked about is usually when the market falls like this it's because of something structurally wrong with the banking system/economy, like in 08, we were seriously near the brink of an economic collapse. The economy was strong, a virus forced everyone to stop consuming and stop working. When this ends it will go back theoretically. We'll see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 16 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: First of all you cannot buy in 09, it's gone. What he talked about is usually when the market falls like this it's because of something structurally wrong with the banking system/economy, like in 08, we were seriously near the brink of an economic collapse. The economy was strong, a virus forced everyone to stop consuming and stop working. When this ends it will go back theoretically. We'll see. After this virus the world is going to turn away from neo liberal globalism. The global economy is going to take a hit, and the world will be a more dangerous place. I think the Pax Americana is over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 56 minutes ago, patsplat said: After this virus the world is going to turn away from neo liberal globalism. You have too much faith. I'd love for this to be true, it would actually help the middle class and economy but it's highly unlikely you're right. Look at the stimulus bill just passed, look at the Feds actions, look at the politicians. All designed to prop up the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 Just now, OILERMAN said: You have too much faith. I'd love for this to be true, it would actually help the middle class and economy but it's highly unlikely you're right. Look at the stimulus bill just passed, look at the Feds actions, look at the politicians. All designed to prop up the status quo. The status quo is being broken right now. That stimulus bill will be rendered impotent in a month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 20 minutes ago, patsplat said: The status quo is being broken right now. That stimulus bill will be rendered impotent in a month. They've already said they will keep churning out new bills depending on how long it lasts How funny is it the 1200 is just an advance on your return next year and you can take out 100k from your own 401k, which is down big right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: They've already said they will keep churning out new bills depending on how long it lasts How funny is it the 1200 is just an advance on your return next year and you can take out 100k from your own 401k, which is down big right now Oh god that 401k bit is evil Downtown, and OILERMAN 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted March 29, 2020 Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, patsplat said: After this virus the world is going to turn away from neo liberal globalism. The global economy is going to take a hit, and the world will be a more dangerous place. I think the Pax Americana is over. Starkiller, pat, and ChemEngr79 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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abenjami Posted March 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, OILERMAN said: They've already said they will keep churning out new bills depending on how long it lasts How funny is it the 1200 is just an advance on your return next year and you can take out 100k from your own 401k, which is down big right now Not to mention you also have to pay income taxes on the money you take out of your own 401k. All they did was eliminate the 10% early withdrawal penalty. So basically, you can dip into your retirement early if you got laid off and pay your own unemployment. LOL OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted March 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2020 3 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Let's be clear about something. Your original goal was get out because the market was reaching a high, you're premise was to jump out at a near high and get back in below 17k. From you in this thread: "Sell at the high, wait for the fall, buy back in. " You sold at 18,300, the market rose another 3.5 years and 11k on the dow. Timing the market consist of two parts. Getting out and then getting back in. You have completed one part, getting out as close to the high as possible. That was a complete failure. We're still waiting for part two, getting back in. Yes, as previously mentioned, that was my original goal. But no, it wasn't a complete failure. At the time I sold, the market was indeed at the all time high. If you go back in this thread, I also said the market could go up further before it came back down, but I was selling when I sold because I wasn't concerned with trying to time it exactly at the top. It doesn't matter if I sold at 18,300 or 29,000. Obviously 29,000 would have been significantly more profitable but as long as I get back in at a good level, the mission was accomplished with the original portfolio, which was to lock in gains and re-buy at a lower level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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