OILERMAN Posted December 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 3 hours ago, 'Nator said: you can choke up on the bat and give more short, quick hits pretty easily. There's all sorts of maneuvers. You lose a lot of power this way. You have to keep the knife fighter outside the bats radius or you're getting cut up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, abenjami said: You MIGHT still have the bat if you haven't dropped in pain or after the guy punched you after sticking the knife into your arm. Even then, how effective are you going to be swinging it at the guy when he's probably tackling you or throwing punches at a close distance? We're talking equal skill. Not talking about me. We're talking about someone who knows what they're doing. As I said, my friend who trained people in the military to fight people w/ knives said one of the first things they did was teach them to expect to get stabbed. If he's trained and experienced, he knows how to handle it. And they know how to get distance from the guy afterward... the now unarmed assailant. Stab a Navy Seal w/ a knife and see if it slows him down. 2 hours ago, OILERMAN said: You lose a lot of power this way. You have to keep the knife fighter outside the bats radius or you're getting cut up you're getting cut either way. Edited December 10, 2015 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Reach is a big advantage in a fight. Winning bat strategy is to swing at the nearest body part of the knifer while backpedaling. There's only one arm that the knifer can sacrifice while closing distance. Even if the knifer plays distance and waits to counterattack, batter can more safely control the action by feigning an opening. Advantage bat. On the other hand if the knifer has a garbage can lid to use as a shield.... shield and short sword beats reach every time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 2 hours ago, reo said: We're talking equal skill. Not talking about me. We're talking about someone who knows what they're doing. As I said, my friend who trained people in the military to fight people w/ knives said one of the first things they did was teach them to expect to get stabbed. If he's trained and experienced, he knows how to handle it. And they know how to get distance from the guy afterward... the now unarmed assailant. Stab a Navy Seal w/ a knife and see if it slows him down. you're getting cut either way. Yes, we are talking equal skill but we are not talking about someone who knows what they are doing. The hypothetical scenario did not say we were talking about Navy Seals or other highly trained individuals. My posts have been clear that I have been talking about the 99.9% of people like you and me who don't fall into the group who is able to easily shake off a stab wound. Then you tried to say just do what the Army guys are trained to do and you'll win. The point is the Army training is a losing strategy for 99.9% of us who aren't going to be able to take a stab wound in the right place, shake it off, and then apply a beating with the bat we held onto. That stab wound is going to essentially end the fight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 On 12/6/2015, 9:34:44, CanadianTitansFan said: I know a dude who got into a road rage incident and they pulled over and the other dude comes out with a bat. He swings it and dude puts his arm up to block it. Broken arm. Fight over. To the hospital. Never pull over. I keep a weighted lacrosse stick (pretty much just a lead pipe) in my car under the driver seat just for that reason. I never have road rage and wouldn't pull over and get out of the car but it's just nice to have instead of throwing it out since I don't play lacrosse anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigherLogic Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Didn't read all the comments. In a true life or death - fight to the finish - I'd rather have the knife. I would try to bait a couple of swing and misses. As soon as there was a swing I would rush in, absorb a blow with left arm if need be, and stab towards the torso. I may end up with a broken arm, but there's a much better chance I'm going to land a fatal hit. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 13 minutes ago, HigherLogic said: Didn't read all the comments. In a true life or death - fight to the finish - I'd rather have the knife. I would try to bait a couple of swing and misses. As soon as there was a swing I would rush in, absorb a blow with left arm if need be, and stab towards the torso. I may end up with a broken arm, but there's a much better chance I'm going to land a fatal hit. That's exactly it, right after somebody takes a swing with a bat, they have to re-set to get into position again. That's when you charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 26 minutes ago, HigherLogic said: Didn't read all the comments. In a true life or death - fight to the finish - I'd rather have the knife. I would try to bait a couple of swing and misses. As soon as there was a swing I would rush in, absorb a blow with left arm if need be, and stab towards the torso. I may end up with a broken arm, but there's a much better chance I'm going to land a fatal hit. 10 minutes ago, Face said: That's exactly it, right after somebody takes a swing with a bat, they have to re-set to get into position again. That's when you charge. I'll make you both a bet. Let's meet somewhere. I will hit you in the arm with a bat. We will time how long it takes you to charge me afterwards. I'm betting it takes longer than 10 seconds. I'll give you half your money back if you can just remain standing and not go to the ground after I hit you with the bat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigherLogic Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 27 minutes ago, abenjami said: I'll make you both a bet. Let's meet somewhere. I will hit you in the arm with a bat. We will time how long it takes you to charge me afterwards. I'm betting it takes longer than 10 seconds. I'll give you half your money back if you can just remain standing and not go to the ground after I hit you with the bat. Sounds good in theory, but I'm going to be charging at you with a knife, so even if I'm in excruciating pain my momentum would carry me straight towards you. I only need to get one good stick in. I've never broken a major bone, nor been hit by a bat so I can't speak on experience from that perspective, but I've been in a lot of fights. In the heat of the moment with adrenaline and anger, you'd be surprised how much pain/what kind of hit you can absorb. At least that's how it's been for me at least. I'll make you a bet. Let me stick you in the abdomen with a knife and we'll see how hard you can then swing a baseball bat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 1 hour ago, HigherLogic said: Sounds good in theory, but I'm going to be charging at you with a knife, so even if I'm in excruciating pain my momentum would carry me straight towards you. I only need to get one good stick in. I've never broken a major bone, nor been hit by a bat so I can't speak on experience from that perspective, but I've been in a lot of fights. In the heat of the moment with adrenaline and anger, you'd be surprised how much pain/what kind of hit you can absorb. At least that's how it's been for me at least. I'll make you a bet. Let me stick you in the abdomen with a knife and we'll see how hard you can then swing a baseball bat. The point of my bet is to test your theory of being able to charge me after being hit with a bat. I am not claiming I would be able to hit you with a bat after being stuck with a knife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I'll make a bet it's not going to be that easy to land a solid blow on me with a bat. You are not going to have a real fast swing, at least not if you have any power behind it. A swing and a miss likely means death, a swing and a not so good hit will also equal death Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 4 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: I'll make a bet it's not going to be that easy to land a solid blow on me with a bat. You are not going to have a real fast swing, at least not if you have any power behind it. A swing and a miss likely means death, a swing and a not so good hit will also equal death Ok let's test this out. You come at me with a rubber knife. I will try to hit you with the bat. If you are able to touch any part of me with the rubber knife, you win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted December 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 14 minutes ago, abenjami said: Ok let's test this out. You come at me with a rubber knife. I will try to hit you with the bat. If you are able to touch any part of me with the rubber knife, you win. Obviously we can't test it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 For me it would depend on the size/stature of the opponent. I'm assuming you can visually size up your adversary. I would pick the weapon that would prove harder for my opponent to injure me with. IE Little guy with a knife or big guy with a bat would be scary. Keep the little guy at bay with a bat or slash and run a big guy with a knife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 3 minutes ago, freakingeek said: For me it would depend on the size/stature of the opponent. I'm assuming you can visually size up your adversary. I would pick the weapon that would prove harder for my opponent to injure me with. IE Little guy with a knife or big guy with a bat would be scary. Keep the little guy at bay with a bat or slash and run a big guy with a knife. Did you read the OP? OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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