TampaTitan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 It's still Lebron's league and Curry is just a 3-point shooter playing in it. Dmeade- 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Is there any doubt now that the Cavs would have also won last year if not for Kyrie being out? There should not be any doubt. A year old, 20+ page debate is now settled. TampaTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaTitan Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 2 hours ago, 'Nator said: Is there any doubt now that the Cavs would have also won last year if not for Kyrie being out? There should not be any doubt. A year old, 20+ page debate is now settled. I think they would have easily won last year, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 7 hours ago, 'Nator said: Is there any doubt now that the Cavs would have also won last year if not for Kyrie being out? There should not be any doubt. A year old, 20+ page debate is now settled. Does this also prove that Lebron isn't the greatest ever because he needs kyrie to win? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhNoMularkey Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 On 21/06/2016 at 5:28 AM, CaliTitan3518 said: Does this also prove that Lebron isn't the greatest ever because he needs kyrie to win? No way does this championship prove that the Cavs would've won last year without the injuries, but I'm not sure if you're being serious with that statement. Last year, 2 of the Cavs big 3 were out. That's like saying Jordan couldn't win without Pippen and Grant, or Pippen and Rodman; Bird without McHale and Parish; Magic without Kareem or Worthy. Also, Lebron's done it on 2 totally different teams, and made the finals with 3 different teams (player wise), and he was the focus on all those teams. Before Pippen finally hit his stride, Jordan was carrying the Bulls, and they couldn't make the Finals. Lebron made the Finals the first time with a relatively weak team ... http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html While he averaged 27 points, the next guy averaged 14 points. He had more points, blocks, steals, assists, and defensive rebounds than anyone on his team, and he practically carried them to the NBA finals. Jordan could not do that, until his teammates finally stepped up. Best ever is always going to be clouded and biased, because of the changes in rules, athletic ability, competition level, FA, favoritism, etc. come into play. What Lebron has accomplished throughout his career is special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted June 24, 2016 Report Share Posted June 24, 2016 1 hour ago, OhNoMularkey said: No way does this championship prove that the Cavs would've won last year without the injuries, but I'm not sure if you're being serious with that statement. Last year, 2 of the Cavs big 3 were out. That's like saying Jordan couldn't win without Pippen and Grant, or Pippen and Rodman; Bird without McHale and Parish; Magic without Kareem or Worthy. Also, Lebron's done it on 2 totally different teams, and made the finals with 3 different teams (player wise), and he was the focus on all those teams. Before Pippen finally hit his stride, Jordan was carrying the Bulls, and they couldn't make the Finals. Lebron made the Finals the first time with a relatively weak team ... http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2007.html While he averaged 27 points, the next guy averaged 14 points. He had more points, blocks, steals, assists, and defensive rebounds than anyone on his team, and he practically carried them to the NBA finals. Jordan could not do that, until his teammates finally stepped up. Best ever is always going to be clouded and biased, because of the changes in rules, athletic ability, competition level, FA, favoritism, etc. come into play. What Lebron has accomplished throughout his career is special. My comment was in regards to the title of the thread. Lebron didnt win with out Kyrie last year when it was being questioned that he could be regarded as the greatest winning with out his supporting cast. He didnt do it and he hasnt been able to do it. Im not knocking him for that. I was just pointing out the title. I acknowledged in other threads that teams with multiple stars have dominated the championships. Lebron is a great player and has still many years to accomplish more. He knows he cant do it alone which is exactly why he took a big pay cut to team up with 2 other max contract players who took pay cuts in Miami. If Cleveland didnt have any franchise players like Kyrie then I highly doubt he would have gone back. OhNoMularkey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 On 5/21/2015 at 5:47 PM, TitanedUpSince'70 said: Like I said in my post on this issue, if Jordan hadn't of left the NBA for baseball, he probably would have 1 or 2 more rings, and have 7 or 8 of them. He would have virtually owned the whole fucking 90's decade of NBA. When Bronson gets 6 rings lemme know! Look at what Jordan accomplished in 13 years with Chicago. His resume and per game numbers are absurd. If he didn’t play those two years in Washington I think his per game average would be 32.0. Another way of looking at it is if Jordan didn’t have both his retirements, meaning he played from 84-03 , he’d be the all time points leader and steals leader. I also read somewhere that he’d be top 10 in all time assists Oiler FANatic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted August 24, 2020 Report Share Posted August 24, 2020 It's criminal how LeBron was an MVP finalist this year instead of Doncic. I won't be the least bit surprised to see Luka win the MVP in 2021. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted August 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 8/23/2020 at 9:15 PM, Oiler FANatic said: It's criminal how LeBron was an MVP finalist this year instead of Doncic. I won't be the least bit surprised to see Luka win the MVP in 2021. They both had solid seasons and neither will win the MVP. IMO, they shouldn't even have awards this season. But criminal? LOL Oiler FANatic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted August 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 @Oiler FANatic what happened to Doncic tonight??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 8/25/2020 at 12:47 AM, abenjami said: They both had solid seasons and neither will win the MVP. IMO, they shouldn't even have awards this season. He had his last great season in 2020, it's over. His twilight years have begun and LA is now stuck paying him $125M for 3 seasons of mediocrity. I love reading all of the comments from their fans these days thinking that the Lakers will be the next dynasty now that the Warriors' is over. They got lucky last season, it ain't happening again now that LeBron is basically used up. He can still put up decent numbers, but not MVP numbers. wiscotitansfan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansFan777 Posted December 6, 2020 Report Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 years of mediocrity is a bold take lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted December 8, 2020 Report Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/5/2020 at 10:27 PM, Oiler FANatic said: He can still put up decent numbers, but not MVP numbers. Thank God for the Rockets that Harden can put up those MVP numbers so necessary for a championship! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oiler FANatic Posted March 21, 2021 Report Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 12/6/2020 at 2:10 PM, TitansFan777 said: 3 years of mediocrity is a bold take lol It's looking like it now after both Davis and now LeBron suffered major injuries that could linger into the postseason. They're 28-14 now and barely tied for second in the West. Who knows what happens for the Lakers with 30 games left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted March 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 7:27 PM, Oiler FANatic said: It's looking like it now after both Davis and now LeBron suffered major injuries that could linger into the postseason. They're 28-14 now and barely tied for second in the West. Who knows what happens for the Lakers with 30 games left. Seems kinda obvious they limp into the playoffs while getting Davis/James healthy and then "upset" some higher seeds come playoff time. wiscotitansfan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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