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  1. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/567676/
  2. https://www.axios.com/buzzfeed-reporter-trump-tower-moscow-story-cohen-9b0937d2-89b8-4f53-b51a-3dcc03d23ab5.html
  3. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    I disagree that putting an inaccurate or changing story in the same category as propaganda is less damaging than it being inaccurate. 1) No one knows the accuracy until the story is over. That takes years. All we knew was it was disputed - not inaccurate. You were a bit premature. 2) I agree to having standards. I don’t agree on the standards you’ve set arbitrarily or your evaluation that even your own standards were violated. In short you’re wrong on multiple fronts with no case to the contrary. Of course this forum is not a democracy but I can show all how wrong you are, express an idea and maybe get others to think about what they label as fake news.
  4. I think that’s part of Pelosi strategy- to expose his main strength as a myth loud and publicly
  5. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Not really - you’re wrong and I’ll say so. You’ve also made any argument to the contrary. You’ll have to deal with multiple threads and posts on why you’re wrong. We’ll both survive I’m sure
  6. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    You assumed it was inaccurate because someone official that you happened to trust refuted it. That did not make it inaccurate. you effectively put a challenged story into the same category of Briebert
  7. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Again - not about what I agree with. It’s about how one judges journalism. There is no need to lock an ever changing story. There is only a need sensor propaganda.
  8. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Ha ! Fair enough
  9. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Doesn’t locking a thread imply fake news?
  10. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    We also need to be very careful how we determine “fake news”. Fake news is rampant propaganda and NOT an inaccurate or changing story by a reporter solid journalistic practices
  11. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Ha! Good discussion! Why was this so hard? (incidentally- I’ve said before I prefer it Trump is voted out and then charged to impeached. More consequences for both gop and Trump that way. I suspect that is Mueller’s position as well. I think a lot of consecutive law enforcement agree with Kavanaugh about indicting and charging a sitting President). I think Buzz did fine if they are accurate but they do need be accurate. I agree that inaccuracies do hurt the free press. I don’t think we should assume inaccuracies or that Mueller’s motives align with broadly sharing information with the public. If he thinks a report will damage his investigation or case then he’ll try to squash it. And alerting ppl of what information they may have could do both. So I can see multiple reasons Mueller would look to discredit a report and only one is to ensure the public has accurate information. I also would assume that would not be a motivating favor for him. So.. what’s left?
  12. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Btw - this guy gets it.
  13. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Jamal all the years we’ve debated, you never seem to accept that sometimes (less often than I used to)- I simply get passionate about an idea or premise that is only tangentially related to a current event. You often misconstue my passion for that premise for an emotional attachment to the event. I am much more prone to get emotional attachments to abstract idealistic constructs than to even get excited about a single current event. Im often most frustrated (‘and troll the most) when people refuse or unable to engage on the construct. I get exceptionally frustrated with you because you’re one of the few on here who I respect in terms of ability to keep up in a good debate. Whether you choose to disagree, agree, or supplement that idea - it’s all good and would frustrate me a great deal less than your tendency to focus on incorrect inferences of motivation.
  14. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Bullshit man - I’ve used nothing but reason and logic aside from a few friendly jabs to troll you a bit. You don’t have an argument against my actual premise and you know it. You cab only argue against what you incorrectly infer are my motives. You have no defense for my actual argument.
  15. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    All of it. Read them again
  16. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Are you reading anything I’m writing? Like any of it?
  17. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    He doesn’t have to one. He knows I’m right but can’t admit it. Ego and stubbornness are too strong with this one. That’s ok - I can relate
  18. Dude - read what I’m actually writing and not what you think I’m going to write. The above is all I’ve been saying to do. I dispute noting Mueller has said nor am I saying to believe buzzfeed article is correct. I am saying and have been saying to take them for what they are. A report and a dispute of that report. That’s it. No conclusions or assumptions of which is to be believed, trusted, or assumed more credible. Two reports that create interesting questions of which we don’t have answers. There’s nothing partisan about it.
  19. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    Yeah - no argument. No debate. You have nothing on this.
  20. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/the-term-fake-news-is-doing-great-harm-100406 “Not only do different people have opposing views about the meaning of “fake news”, in practice the term undermines the intellectual values of democracy – and there is a real possibility that it means nothing. We would be better off if we stopped using it.”
  21. Pragidealist

    The importance of the Free and independent Press

    More recently, the entire journalism business model has been upended by the rise of the internet and, even more recently, social media. Suddenly anyone can be a news publisher, regardless of their expertise, sense of fairness, or motives. In this digital free-for-all, the Times can seem like just another website alongside a propaganda outfit like Breitbart News. And “fake news” from individual or state actors can spread like wildfire through Facebook, Twitter, and other similar outlets. In 1984, George Orwell could only imagine a tyrannical central government having the power to systematically undermine objective truth. Today we see that process happening organically through millions of social-media shares.
  22. I think it could be more strategic than that. They don’t want anyone to know what they do or do not have. I doubt they respond at all unless they think it interferes with either their current investigative work or ability to get a conviction on ppl later.
  23. If he can’t do a better job distinguishing between propaganda and credible, disputed reporting - he absolutely needs to leave them all alone. More damage is done diminishing and minimizing credible reports than calling out obvious trash.
  24. Does the fact that people who I sometimes consider intelligent immediately put a credible journalistic report to in the same bucket as Briebert trash not deeply concern anyone else? Trump, Russia and right wing propaganda are winning the war against the free press. That’s dang scary
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