CreepingDeath Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: Bottomline, this show has been great (or great to pretty good) for 6 straight seasons. How many shows in tv history could claim that? It sucks that maybe this season has let some people down in their expectations. I would hope everyone that likes this show gets maximum enjoyment out of it because it really is the best thing on TV right now BY FAR. I still think this show is going to end on one helluva high note and the perceived "low" will eventually be seen in a better light. I agree. And I enjoy seeing a story I love on the screen in HD. My complaint, and I imagine I speak for others, is that this is our one version of this story that we will see on the screen - if not to be completed at all. Hell, book readers bitch about the extra detail in the 4th and 5th books. (I personally didn't mind.) NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Starkiller said: They stretched it to 13 and split it up over 2 years... Which maybe they shouldn't have done... split it up, that is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 Shortened seasons!? Actually, they stretched it into seven parts and 73 episodes! Lol at the attempted reverse logic on the final two seasons. That's a surprisingly bold defense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) It's interesting seeing all the criticism because as the director says it doesn't seem like a widely held opinion that the show is worse this season than prior season. In fact it's the opposite. http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947 IMDB ratings are a bit flawed but this season (avg episode rating 9.27) is the second highest rated season per IMDB after season 4 (avg 9.33). Beyond the Wall isn't listed on this site yet, but it's a 9.5 so far on IMDB. Spoils of War hit 9.9 which only 4 other episodes have in all of GoT. If The Dragon and the Wolf hits a 9.8 rating this season will be the highest rated season. That seems possible given the circumstances. I wonder if the ends of shows just tend to be more polarizing. I remember a lot of people complaining online about the end of BSG but it's final season and episodes are also highly rated on IMDB. Perhaps among the hardcore fans there will always be some segment of people unhappy with how the end is executed. Or perhaps the people enjoying it are all rubes! Edited August 22, 2017 by Titans279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 What drives an IMDB rating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted August 22, 2017 Report Share Posted August 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Titans279 said: It's interesting seeing all the criticism because as the director says it doesn't seem like a widely held opinion that the show is worse this season than prior season. In fact it's the opposite. http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947 IMDB ratings are a bit flawed but this season (avg episode rating 9.27) is the second highest rated season per IMDB after season 4 (avg 9.33). Beyond the Wall isn't listed on this site yet, but it's a 9.5 so far on IMDB. Spoils of War hit 9.9 which only 4 other episodes have in all of GoT. If The Dragon and the Wolf hits a 9.8 rating this season will be the highest rated season. That seems possible given the circumstances. I wonder if the ends of shows just tend to be more polarizing. I remember a lot of people complaining online about the end of BSG but it's final season and episodes are also highly rated on IMDB. Perhaps among the hardcore fans there will always be some segment of people unhappy with how the end is executed. Or perhaps the people enjoying it are all rubes! The Dragon and the Wolf? Is that the name of the finale? EDIT: Nevermind, I looked it up on the listings. Yep that's the title. Talk about being meta AF. Jon rides a dragon? The big reveal about Rhaegar and Lyanna and the fact that Jon is both dragon and wolf? Something about Dany and Jon? Edited August 22, 2017 by NashvilleNinja Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Titans279 said: It's interesting seeing all the criticism because as the director says it doesn't seem like a widely held opinion that the show is worse this season than prior season. In fact it's the opposite. http://graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947 IMDB ratings are a bit flawed but this season (avg episode rating 9.27) is the second highest rated season per IMDB after season 4 (avg 9.33). Beyond the Wall isn't listed on this site yet, but it's a 9.5 so far on IMDB. Spoils of War hit 9.9 which only 4 other episodes have in all of GoT. If The Dragon and the Wolf hits a 9.8 rating this season will be the highest rated season. That seems possible given the circumstances. I wonder if the ends of shows just tend to be more polarizing. I remember a lot of people complaining online about the end of BSG but it's final season and episodes are also highly rated on IMDB. Perhaps among the hardcore fans there will always be some segment of people unhappy with how the end is executed. Or perhaps the people enjoying it are all rubes! All imdb ratings are like that immediately after airing... they are also easily manipulated by the studios. Jonboy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Shortened seasons!? Actually, they stretched it into seven parts and 73 episodes! Lol at the attempted reverse logic on the final two seasons. That's a surprisingly bold defense. Not for Starkiller its not. Hes the ultimate fanboy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not for Starkiller its not. Hes the ultimate fanboy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Jamalisms said: Shortened seasons!? Actually, they stretched it into seven parts and 73 episodes! Lol at the attempted reverse logic on the final two seasons. That's a surprisingly bold defense. There is one 10 episode season for each of the first 6 books. There are 2 partial seasons for the final one, 13 episodes combined. 13 episodes that will generally be longer than almost any of the first 60 episodes. I thought accountants were good at math... MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 32 minutes ago, oldschool said: Not for Starkiller its not. Hes the ultimate fanboy. I apologize for enjoying good TV. I'll leave it to you anal Star Trek nerds to bitch about how fast ravens fly... MadMax, and NashvilleNinja 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: Which maybe they shouldn't have done... split it up, that is. It seems to me they had two whole seasons left, not an extended and split single season. 3 more episodes spent on some character motivations and development, passage of time, and portray more dire consequences would have went a long way towards negating some of the criticism. The people might like the lack of filler, but that's what brought it all together before. Thats what's so bizarre to me. They did a great job of cramming a shit ton of story into a tv series, which was a part of the show's success, only to abandon it the approach and go for the bling. I get it, they don't have the material to sort out and focus on, but damn. But the ratings have continued an upwards trend, so fuck me. I just hope the last episode rocks. I need it to. Edited August 23, 2017 by Rogue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 30 minutes ago, Rogue said: It seems to me they had two whole seasons left, not an extended and split single season. 3 more episodes spent on some character motivations and development, passage of time, and portray more dire consequences would have went a long way towards negating some of the criticism. The people might like the lack of filler, but that's what brought it all together before. Thats what's so bizarre to me. They did a great job of cramming a shit ton of story into a tv series, which was a part of the show's success, only to abandon it the approach and go for the bling. I get it, they don't have the material to sort out and focus on, but damn. But the ratings have continued an upwards trend, so fuck me. I just hope the last episode rocks. I need it to. i think its the opposite really... i think they tried to steal an extra season from us and filled it with some bullshit to take up time... but because they shortened each season, the BS became too much to adequately tell a story. they either needed to just do a normal season or the needed to do 2 full seasons with added BS. this in between stuff is where the half-assed writing comes in. a 10 episode season forces them to be smart and think through everything without having to resolve every single storyline completely (which is what it feels they are trying to do) 20 more episodes (instead of 13) allows them to resolve the storylines and be accurate and true to the pacing of past seasons. 13 episodes doesnt let you do either... once you add the filler, you have to resolve the filler. just not well thought out anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 54 minutes ago, Starkiller said: There is one 10 episode season for each of the first 6 books. There are 2 partial seasons for the final one, 13 episodes combined. 13 episodes that will generally be longer than almost any of the first 60 episodes. They've been talking about 8 seasons for some time. They then decided the final two would be short. Life is a timeline, sweetheart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted August 23, 2017 Report Share Posted August 23, 2017 Not well thought out or not enough left to think out? I mean, for Christ's sake... winter is HERE. The war with the ice bastards is right at the door. How much more time for 2 season's worth of walking and bullshitting back and forth is left? Some of you just need to come to terms with the fact that the show is almost over and resign yourself to the fact that the cats are all coming out of the bag at once. 1 minute ago, Jamalisms said: Life is a timeline, sweetheart. As is this show, or the series of books for that matter. Tell that to GRRM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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