wiscotitansfan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, tgo said: Not sure LaFleur is much of a shotgun guy. So we have some supposed offensive guru that wants to fit the guys available into his scheme and not adjust? We honestly just need to figure out how to get the run game going because the passing game is absolute shit without any other threat to rely on, every single team we face's goal is to stop the run and have Marcus beat them... The problem is, the passing game simply can't do that well enough to be a good team. We will win some games, but sure as fuck won't be any threat to anyone. Edited October 16, 2018 by wiscotitansfan Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, wiscotitansfan said: So we have some supposed offensive guru that wants to fit the guys available into his scheme and not adjust? Well, the scheme is kind of predicated on play action under center, and it fits Mariota who is actually better under center. So that's who the scheme needs to be catered to. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, tgo said: Well, the scheme is kind of predicated on play action under center, and it fits Mariota who is actually better under center. So that's who the scheme needs to be catered to. I edited my post to include that, I was just pointing out the irony of saying that Lafluer isn't a shotgun guy while everyone bitched about the last staff for being unable to adjust their gameplan ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, wiscotitansfan said: I edited my post to include that, I was just pointing out the irony of saying that Lafluer isn't a shotgun guy while everyone bitched about the last staff for being unable to adjust their gameplan ever Oh haha, yeah. It's quite amusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ap24786 said: This is actually hilarious. Go read someone who actually viewed the tape of that game like Cian and you'll see what the actual problem is. The only valid criticism is that he should have gotten the ball out. Okay? So either force a bad throw or throw it out of bounds? That's not winning us the game. It's actually hilarious that you think him not throwing it up and hoping for a PI is a legitimate complaint. The Ravens game plan and coverage was just superior to ours. They have the best or 2nd best pass defense in the NFL. There was wet conditions. And your analysis about his arm talent is also kinda laughable. If you want to talk about his pocket presence and how it's not like Brady or Rodgers then fine. That's a legit criticism. He's pretty shit at menaveuring around the pocket. But that throw to Taylor was clearly affected or that's probably a TD. That back shoulder throw to Corey Davis the defender didn't even break from the DB. The DBs arms were still on him get you say he was open LOL. There just weren't throws to be made during that game. Harbaugh even said this in his presser. The tape says it. It's a combination of bad game planning by us and great planning by them. He lost 3 receivers from last year including his best 2. We just don't have the offensive talent and we don't have a running game and Mariota isn't on Rodgers level to make it work. It is what it is. This will get written off as a homer post but there are very good points here. The bolded is a great one. Would I have preferred Mariota throw it away on a lot of those coverage sacks? Yes. Would we have been any closer to winning if he had? Likely no.We wouldn't have set the record for sacks but last time I checked, a throw away doesn't get you down the field and forced throws get picked. So where does killing him for holding the ball and getting sacked actually get us? Our receiving corps has been consistently rated as the worst or close to the worst in the league and we're surprised they're getting blanketed downfield? It's really that implausible that Mariota literally had no where to go with the ball? I'm still withholding judgement until I can see these plays for myself on the All-22 but early reports from people who have access seem to indicate that there might be more to this than the simple "Marcus is a bust" narrative. Someone made a point that it seems like the majority of the board is buckling under the weight of the guys who've been hyper vocal about Marcus being bad and are giving in because they're just tired of fighting it. Whoever you are, I'm starting to agree with you. titanruss, ap24786, EagleEye, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post scine09 Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 26 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: This will get written off as a homer post but there are very good points here. The bolded is a great one. Would I have preferred Mariota throw it away on a lot of those coverage sacks? Yes. Would we have been any closer to winning if he had? Likely no.We wouldn't have set the record for sacks but last time I checked, a throw away doesn't get you down the field and forced throws get picked. So where does killing him for holding the ball and getting sacked actually get us? Our receiving corps has been consistently rated as the worst or close to the worst in the league and we're surprised they're getting blanketed downfield? It's really that implausible that Mariota literally had no where to go with the ball? I'm still withholding judgement until I can see these plays for myself on the All-22 but early reports from people who have access seem to indicate that there might be more to this than the simple "Marcus is a bust" narrative. Someone made a point that it seems like the majority of the board is buckling under the weight of the guys who've been hyper vocal about Marcus being bad and are giving in because they're just tired of fighting it. Whoever you are, I'm starting to agree with you. That's sort of where I am. There's been a small group of extremely vocal people who whenever Mariota has a bad game come out and act like every week is bad and basically quote everything you say. It's very tiring to have these arguments. I have my opinions on Mariota, they're not changing, but it's not an easy thing to have to defend every single thing he does, particularly when the comments are absurd, like people who think he can't operate from the pocket or has a weak arm. But this is where we are as fans. Hopefully he can have a game to shut these people up, at least temporarily, because they'll never shut up for good. DecepticonShawn, titanruss, TitanJoe, and 5 others 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce87 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 The guards suck ass. Bot need replaced. Ben Jones is also replaceable but not as a priority as the guards. It's a case of blitz the middle we'll get in and leaving mariota to leave the pocket. Now not saying mariota is not to blame but he's a good scrambler and such an inconsistent passer and in this NFL we need the opposite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, scine09 said: That's sort of where I am. There's been a small group of extremely vocal people who whenever Mariota has a bad game come out and act like every week is bad and basically quote everything you say. It's very tiring to have these arguments. I have my opinions on Mariota, they're not changing, but it's not an easy thing to have to defend every single thing he does, particularly when the comments are absurd, like people who think he can't operate from the pocket or has a weak arm. But this is where we are as fans. Hopefully he can have a game to shut these people up, at least temporarily, because they'll never shut up for good. This along with the framing that disagreeing with them automatically makes you a stupid homer also plays a part in it. It shuts down debate before it starts by poisoning the well and putting you on the defensive. It's a great strategy for brow-beating people into agreeing with you but a shitty one if you seek reasoned dialogue. I agree that it's up to Marcus to shut people up and right now he's not doing that. I'm defending Marcus right now not because I think he's great but because some of the reasons for why people are killing him are stupid. However, I said before this season that this was a make or break season for Marcus and even though I agree he's had some bad breaks, ultimately he's either going to have to rise above the current or get washed away by it. Right now he's just holding on to a log. We'll see how it all plays out. DecepticonShawn, and CreepingDeath 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: This along with the framing that disagreeing with them automatically makes you a stupid homer also plays a part in it. It shuts down debate before it starts by poisoning the well and putting you on the defensive. It's a great strategy for brow-beating people into agreeing with you but a shitty one if you seek reasoned dialogue. I agree that it's up to Marcus to shut people up and right now he's not doing that. I'm defending Marcus right now not because I think he's great but because some of the reasons for why people are killing him are stupid. However, I said before this season that this was a make or break season for Marcus and even though I agree he's had some bad breaks, ultimately he's either going to have to rise above the current or get washed away by it. Right now he's just holding on to a log. We'll see how it all plays out. I think regardless of what happens it'll be about how he finishes the season. It sucks now but if he finishes well no one is going to care about the Baltimore game. They'll look at it as a guy who "finally gets it" even if in truth maybe he always got it. And if he he has a lot of games like last week and finishes poorly, well the offseason will be rough. And certain posters who know who they are will be all over the board. Did you notice by the way that the board was quieter the week after the Philly game? I wonder why... CreepingDeath, DecepticonShawn, Mythos27, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokes Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 By eating that many sacks you don't give anyone a chance. If he's going to be that risk adverse he'll never improve much more than has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap24786 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, scine09 said: I think regardless of what happens it'll be about how he finishes the season. It sucks now but if he finishes well no one is going to care about the Baltimore game. They'll look at it as a guy who "finally gets it" even if in truth maybe he always got it. And if he he has a lot of games like last week and finishes poorly, well the offseason will be rough. And certain posters who know who they are will be all over the board. Did you notice by the way that the board was quieter the week after the Philly game? I wonder why... The board is always quieter when we win in general because there's less angry fans needing to complain. And to be fair some of those posters such as Number 9 and Joel (at times) will actually defend Marcus a bit when we win. For them it's all about wins and losses and they get emotionally swayed one way or the other based on the outcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jonboy Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: This will get written off as a homer post but there are very good points here. The bolded is a great one. Would I have preferred Mariota throw it away on a lot of those coverage sacks? Yes. Would we have been any closer to winning if he had? Likely no.We wouldn't have set the record for sacks but last time I checked, a throw away doesn't get you down the field and forced throws get picked. So where does killing him for holding the ball and getting sacked actually get us? Our receiving corps has been consistently rated as the worst or close to the worst in the league and we're surprised they're getting blanketed downfield? It's really that implausible that Mariota literally had no where to go with the ball? I'm still withholding judgement until I can see these plays for myself on the All-22 but early reports from people who have access seem to indicate that there might be more to this than the simple "Marcus is a bust" narrative. Someone made a point that it seems like the majority of the board is buckling under the weight of the guys who've been hyper vocal about Marcus being bad and are giving in because they're just tired of fighting it. Whoever you are, I'm starting to agree with you. For some, you're probably right. But for me, I'm just sick of the excuses and sick of him flat out sucking it up more often than not. I'm tired of the inconsistency of him putting together a game like Philly and then laying an egg against Buffalo and Baltimore. His numbers are absolutely abysmal. Stats aren't all that matters though, I agree. Unfortunately, he isn't passing the eye test either. In an age where offenses are dominating, Mariota looks worse than he ever. Several of his staunchest defenders on the board have admitted he looked completely lost and shellshocked in the Baltimore game. Compare it back to the very 2nd game of his rookie year. Everyone remembers his historic week 1 debut, but I was actually more impressed by what he did in week 2. He took an absolute beating and was sacked 7 times. Yet, he stood in the pocket and fought. He made some phenomenal throws including the strike to DGB during the almost-comeback. He threw for 257 yards that game, 2 TDs, and no picks, despite being under constant duress by Cleveland's defense. Everyone wants to talk about weapons right now, but they were far worse back then. The o-line was downright terrible (Jeremiah Poutasi, anyone?). That Mariota stands in stark contrast to what we saw vs Baltimore. The drops and occasional miscues happen with every team and every quarterback. He's in year 4. We really have to stop with all the excuses for him. These 129 and 117 yard games are an absolute joke. IsntLifeFunny, Smokes, DecepticonShawn, and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, ap24786 said: The board is always quieter when we win in general because there's less angry fans needing to complain. And to be fair some of those posters such as Number 9 and Joel (at times) will actually defend Marcus a bit when we win. For them it's all about wins and losses and they get emotionally swayed one way or the other based on the outcome. Joel today said that if Mariota can't play as well as Rodgers he should be cut. He's nuts. But in general when people are happy they don't come on here to bitch. And the people who don't want the Titans to win don't come here because what are they going to say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvgJoe Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 I would have no problem dumping Mariota for Stidham or Herbert in 2019. I would also be fine with Mariota realizing his potential and dominating. Either way, since McNair has been gone QB has been a question and I’m ready for it to be settled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ap24786 Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, AvgJoe said: I would have no problem dumping Mariota for Stidham or Herbert in 2019. I would also be fine with Mariota realizing his potential and dominating. Either way, since McNair has been gone QB has been a question and I’m ready for it to be settled. Yes because Stidham or Herbert, who are worse than Mariota, are gonna make magical throws to guys who have little or no space. EagleEye 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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