BudsOilers Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 30 minutes ago, V_Man said: That's not a comparison at all... Look up MM's career stats as well... not the last 23. This thread to me is laughable considering MM willed this team to a win against both Jacksonville and Kansas City to end last year. And those who think Gabbart is better than MM need to get off that happy juice. Once healthy which will hopefully be this week, we will see by season end what MM can do in this new system. I picked 23 simply because that's how many starts Locker had. What was shocking is how close the numbers are and that's not a good thing. For the record, I do think MM is better than Locker but at the same time that was the clear expectation (#2 overall vs 10th) but they eerily have similar issues - accuracy and durability - that are two critical prerequisites for being a top tier QB. I would not say MM willed the team to victory in either of those games. His fumble ran back for a TD was the only reason Jax was in that game to begin with. The 2nd half at KC was very encouraging but it's not like he was prime McNair. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Mariota but this really is his chance to either seize the job or be in line to be replaced. He has to play better and stay healthy. 23 games is a pretty good data set and it's pretty concerning that it's a clear regression to what he did prior to that. TNTitans 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 hour ago, BudAdams said: It's too early to say he's a bust but it's been a while since he's really flashed the ability that we did see in parts of 2016. It's beyond alarming that we are debating this in year 4 about things that every elite QB does well - make accurate passes all over the field, have poise in the pocket, and be there every week. His last 23 games as a starter: 404-671 (60.2%) for 4738 yards 22 TD/19 INT, 7.09 YPA, Passer rating of 80.5 sacked 47 times 298 yards; 95 runs 524 yards (5.1) with 5 TD Games w/offense scoring > 20 points = 10 Jake Locker's 23 career starts: 359-620 (57.9%) for 4253 yards 22 TD/19 INT, 6.41 YPA, Passer rating of 76.2; 50 sacks losing 290 yards; 85 runs for 560 yards (6.6) with 4 TD Games w/offense scoring > 20 points = 9 This is eye opening People put him way higher than he deserves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) @BudAdams What about when you include the other 20 games that Mariota has started (He's started 43 games) compared to Jake Locker's 23 starts? Or how about if you only include his first 23 games before he broke his leg vs Jake Locker's 23 starts. See how you can pull anything out of your ass when it comes to stats to try and prove a given point? The fact that Mariota has started 43 games vs Locker's 23 career starts says enough in and of itself. There are plenty of concerns with Mariota, but let's not say he's Jake fucking Locker. Edited September 19, 2018 by tgo Titans279, IsntLifeFunny, and Huston 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 13 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: How are you disagreeing with me calling you out for this? Have at it. I think the whole thing is funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, IsntLifeFunny said: Have at it. I think the whole thing is funny. Got it. So you're just actively trying to troll and make this site worse. Hence, me calling you out and then trying to defend why you made this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, wiscotitansfan said: Got it. So you're just actively trying to troll and make this site worse. Hence, me calling you out and then trying to defend why you made this thread. Eh it’s slightly trolling, but it’s got the point across. If you’re too much of a pussy to say he’s a bust then you should probably sit back and stop saying anything but that across the rest of the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Eh it’s slightly trolling, but it’s got the point across. If you’re too much of a pussy to say he’s a bust then you should probably sit back and stop saying anything but that across the rest of the board. Then we also can't praise him for his good play because we need to wait and see if he can actually do it for 4 qtrs at a time, let alone 4 games. Vocal disagreeing opinions are a phenomenal thing for this board and discussion, it's everyone picking an extreme that is ruining this board and it's even worse when posters are actively trying to pin everyone even further in that extreme point of view (not just this thread, but a lot of people) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, wiscotitansfan said: Then we also can't praise him for his good play because we need to wait and see if he can actually do it for 4 qtrs at a time, let alone 4 games. Vocal disagreeing opinions are a phenomenal thing for this board and discussion, it's everyone picking an extreme that is ruining this board and it's even worse when posters are actively trying to pin everyone even further in that extreme point of view (not just this thread, but a lot of people) That’s the point of the thread...a group has went out of their way to trash him at every single turn. We might as well have them say it openly. If they refuse then they should lay off. I’m doing us all a favor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleEye Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 21 minutes ago, BudAdams said: His fumble ran back for a TD was the only reason Jax was in that game to begin with. His fumble? Alrighty then! Soxcat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I’m doing us all a favor. No, you're really not OILERMAN, and EagleEye 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, tgo said: @BudAdams What about when you include the other 20 games that Mariota has started (He's started 43 games) compared to Jake Locker's 23 starts? Or how about if you only include his first 23 games before he broke his leg vs Jake Locker's 23 starts. See how you can pull anything out of your ass when it comes to stats to try and prove a given point? The fact that Mariota has started 43 games vs Locker's 23 career starts says enough in and of itself. There are plenty of concerns with Mariota, but let's not say he's Jake fucking Locker. Mariota has a sizable edge in durability over Jake Locker - no question - even though in fairness Locker did not play much in his rookie year whereas MM did. What is not debatable is that Mariota's most recent play is very very Jake Locker like production. Personally I could care less what MM's 2015 season was at this point. Same for 2016/2017 but the reality is that he's played at a Locker type level for a season and a half worth of games. I absolutely hope 2018 is a new story but it sure doesn't look much different than the final few games of 2016 and last year to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heyitsmeallen Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: This is eye opening People put him way higher than he deserves I saw a stat on twitter comparing his numbers with the first 3 years of some QBs now conidered elite and he was right there with all of them. I wish I could find it again. TitanedUpSince'70, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizzyeddie Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: This is eye opening People put him way higher than he deserves Or maybe Locker was a lot better than we all realized OILERMAN, TNTitans, and big2033 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 Just now, bizzyeddie said: Or maybe Locker was a lot better than we all realized If only he realized it too, he'd still be a top QB! big2033, and bizzyeddie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: No, you're really not Good talk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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