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Dennis Kelly is in at RT with the first team.   the guys on Titans Reddit do a great job posting TC observations    

Mariota had a lot of grey area last season. His stats were awful, and there’s simply no way around them. Anyone who says he had a good year is fooling themselves. Anyone who says he was trash is being

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9 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

Interesting.  JRob is a high level manager.  He pretty much answered the big question JW vs MM eloquently without saying doodie, still a good listen.

For those interested it starts at the 9:10 mark.

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52 minutes ago, Number9 said:

Interesting.  JRob is a high level manager.  He pretty much answered the big question JW vs MM eloquently without saying doodie, still a good listen.

For those interested it starts at the 9:10 mark.

I don't know why anyone dwells on that question so much.

 

It appears to me that ultimately, the eval of both players was pretty close just in different ways. So it just came down to what kind of QB you wanted.

 

If you wanted an aggressive pocket passer that was Winston.

 

If you wanted an accurate dual threat you went Mariota.

 

Also, Winston went to Florda State, team picking was Tampa ... don't think that wasn't taken into account.

 

I think Winston, as he was evaluated coming out of college, was a better fit for Tampa and what they wanted to do than Mariota.

 

I think Tennessee, and our history with QBs ... Mariota was a better fit for us. 

 

So I don't think we change our pick and I don't think the Bucs change theirs.

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Found these stat interesting from a Bucs article comparing Winston and Marcus.

 

Turnover-worthy play percentage

 

Why it matters: Turnovers are catastrophic. According to ESPN’s Mike Clay, 43 percent of a team’s win total can be determined solely by its turnover margin.

But not all turnovers are the result of “turnover-worthy” plays and not all “turnover-worthy” plays result in turnovers. For example, sometimes a quarterback correctly diagnoses the coverage and an accurate pass bounces off a receiver’s hands and to a defender. And sometimes he misreads the coverage and throws a pass to a defender who drops the interception. The box score assigns 100 percent of the blame on the tipped interception to the quarterback but assigns no penalty for the dropped interception.

To better reflect the quality of quarterback play, the analysts at Pro Football Focus grade each dropback and not just the results of each dropback. If a quarterback puts the ball in harm’s way, he’s going to have a higher turnover-worthy play percentage, regardless of whether the defense actually intercepts it or forces a fumble.

Advantage: Mariota

                 Winston's TWP%           Mariota's TWP%

2015         4.70%                             4.73%

2016         3.96%                             3.80%

2017         5.20%                             2.38%

 

By now, you’ve heard Winston fans/Mariota critics slam the Titans quarterback because he threw more interceptions than touchdowns last season. The implication is that Mariota was more turnover-prone than Winston. As PFF’s turnover-worth play percentage shows, this is simply not the case.

Such criticism (conveniently) doesn’t take into account the value Mariota added as a runner (five touchdowns) or the cost of Winston’s fumbles. Winston fumbled 15 times last season and lost seven of them; Mariota fumbled twice, losing one.

It also doesn’t take into account tipped or dropped interceptions. According to Football Outsiders research, Winston’s opponents dropped eight potential interceptions. Mariota’s opponents dropped two. (Before you dismiss dropped interceptions as a made-up stat, consider that they’re a better predictor of future interceptions than actual interceptions.)

When we study each quarterback’s entire body of work, as PFF is attempting to do with its turnover-worthy play analysis, we find that Mariota was much better at protecting the ball last season than Winston.

 

http://www.tampabay.com/data/2018/08/17/jameis-winston-vs-marcus-mariota-the-stats-that-matter/

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