Popular Post reo Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Soxcat said: The point is you would have to be an idiot to not think this stuff goes on all the time and China is probably way worse than Russia at hacking. Certainly the US does the same kind of stuff to push things to their advantage when possible. It is after all the responsibility of people with sensitive information to protect it. If you are vulnerable you will get hacked. Everyone knows that. That is why it was so irresponsible and stupid for Hillary to do what she did. Brainless. Coming around to accepting it happened and moving towards bargaining/dismissing/minimizing? Progress. This is why Mueller is working how he's working. People are coming around to accepting that the Russians hacked our elections. Next step will be to connect Americans to the hack. And then they connect it to Trump. Step by step. Progress. Edited July 15, 2018 by reo Pragidealist, Btowner, IsntLifeFunny, and 4 others 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btowner Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, reo said: Coming around to accepting it happened and moving towards bargaining/dismissing/minimizing? Progress. It's an interesting change from the embellishing/conflating/maximizing approach he has with the Clintons and Obama. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ctm Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: I agree and disagree. I dont want any outsiders influencing it either. But even if you can prove they did something...can you prove whatever involvement they had actually determined how ppl voted? I meam you might say yea, but can you really? Can you prove it was a bigger influence than Comey reopening the email case? How come the left doesn't seem to care about Comey and his influence? I mean ppl talk about it, but they aren't trying to hard to go after him over it. And lets keep it real, it wasn't the Russians who influenced anyone. It was WHAT THEY ACTUALLY EXPOSED. Aka, Hillary did it to herself....and no doubt the handling of that investigation I gaurentee also played a big role in the way ppl looked at our governemt and how they operate. I have zero problem with them hacking Hillarys shit because she was not only running for POTUS but had her hands on a lot of shit beforehand. So its ok for our own to expose our own, but not ok for outsiders to expose our own? You should want the truth regardless how it comes to you. It is the American ppls right to know wtf went on. And if our own government and Intelligence Agencies didnt want to properly do their damn job to uncover that truth, then I am thankful someone else was willing to provide the knwoledge we were not only searching for, but had a right to know about. What involvement could the Russians have had if our own government did its damn job? FB bots? Please...like really? The governemt is no better than the cops in how they treat their own. Same ppl running around saying police get off easy are the same ones defending our governments incompetence because its more important to them that the one they see to be racist goes down when it should be important to hold any governemt official responsible for their ineptitude or involvement in wrong-doing. But of course they know how to do their job when it comes to outsiders....but somehow they botch it when it involves their own. Dont make American officials look bad. We have to look perfect. Except in the case of Trump or any other Repub.... Another poster defending Russian cyber attacks. Weren't you the poster who started a thread about how punishment for crime needs to be more harsh? reo, Pragidealist, begooode, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Legaltitan Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Soxcat said: The point is you would have to be an idiot to not think this stuff goes on all the time and China is probably way worse than Russia at hacking. Certainly the US does the same kind of stuff to push things to their advantage when possible. It is after all the responsibility of people with sensitive information to protect it. If you are vulnerable you will get hacked. Everyone knows that. That is why it was so irresponsible and stupid for Hillary to do what she did. Brainless. Yes the point is when a crime is committed we should always focus on the acts of the victim of the crime and blame them, rather than focus on the acts of the criminal. I have no doubt Sox is being totally consistent here and has always felt this way about crimes, criminals and victims. Pragidealist, begooode, Titans_Win_Again, and 5 others 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Legaltitan Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I am also quite certain our resident trump apologists are totally consistent in how they view prosecutors. I am certain whenever any criminal is charged with a crime the first thing Sox and these fellas think is "I wonder if the Da is biased?" The next thing they probably think is "well sure this guy is on trial for murder and a witness says he committed the murder but that's not evidence!" they probably also are totally consistent in thinking it is unfair that the Da doesn't reveal his whole hand to the poor criminal right from the get go, and assume the Da is just" out to get" the criminal rather than doing his job. Justafan, Titans_Win_Again, Mythos27, and 4 others 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Btowner Posted July 15, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I wouldn't trust Trump in a meeting with Putin about extraditing agents. Based on previous negotiations, Trump might agree to extradite Strozk and Page to Russia for causing irreparable harm to Russia's reputation. oldschool, reo, Pragidealist, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 The director of national intelligence, Trump appointee and former republican senator Dan Coats, said 3 days ago that Russia was by far the worst cyber offender. I already posted it. Keep searching for a defense of the Russians, maybe eventually you'll find it. reo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 China hacks for IP theft mostly, and targets industry more often than not. It's not quite the same as this. rns90, Starkiller, and Btowner 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Russian defense lawyer---Members of the jury don't blame us for a cyber attack on US elections, the Chinese are worse than we are. @ben4titans nods in agreement..... yea you Russian guys are not guilty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ben4titans said: It's odd, China is orders of magnitude worse than Russia in every metric you guys cite that you are so gravely concerned about. Yet, crickets. I’m guessing you didn’t read the top level document posted on this very website that says the opposite of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 Just now, ben4titans said: I've read plenty of documents on this. To suggest Russia is a bigger cyber threat to the US than China is laughable. Poly Sci, it ain't what you don't know, but what you do know that just ain't so. I’m glad you know better than the National Intelligence Director. Classic. Omar, and Pragidealist 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 I haven't read the posts from the cultists. What's this about China? What in the world do they have to do with this investigation? Anyone is free to start a thread about China. Certainly there is much to talk about with them. But what do they have to do with Russian interference in the election? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Legaltitan said: I haven't read the posts from the cultists. What's this about China? What in the world do they have to do with this investigation? Anyone is free to start a thread about China. Certainly there is much to talk about with them. But what do they have to do with Russian interference in the election? No, they’re directly refuting Dan Coats and saying that China is more of a national security threat in concerns to cyber warfare on our election system. Russia the "most aggressive foreign actor, no question. And they continue their efforts to undermine our democracy." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Soxcat said: By the way did Rosenstien state unequivocally there were no allegations for any Americans being involved and that this did not appear to change the vote count in the election. He also said the US is CONSTANTLY working to fight cyber attacks. No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted July 15, 2018 Report Share Posted July 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ben4titans said: Then Coates is lying. Over the last 20 years China is second to no one in hacking the US. Anyone who has had a security briefing knows this isn't true. Edited July 15, 2018 by reo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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