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1 minute ago, JakePA_Titan said:

Ok well, I previously posted this article.

 

If you missed it, here you go, sir.

 

 

https://www.colorlines.com/articles/thousands-kids-lost-parents-us-deportation-system

 

The reason for the increase is most likely due to the fact they believe the US will, in time, put up a wall. So they are rushing to the states now...

 

That would lead me to believe a lot of them think it would be much harder if an actual wall were present...

No, the increase is directly because of the no tolerance policy that has been quoted verbatim on this thread. Stop already. Damn. 

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Why does playing for a team mean that we lose all moral discernment? Even if Obama’s admin did have family separation (it really didn’t, nor did Bush), why would it give Trump a pass now? (It shouldn’

It's a call for decency and some type of appeal towards values based leadership. Believe it or not, there is a third way, it's not binary. You can believe in strong borders and be against family separ

Unnacceptable behavior. They snuck in the country out of desperation. They aren’t murderers being hauled off to jail. Some really fucked up moral compasses here.

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Just now, JakePA_Titan said:

So you believe the SAME EXACT number of illegals with kids are crossing into the states this year as back in 2011? And that is the only reason for the increase?

 

Would love to see those numbers....

I’m not going to continue this argument with you. It’s pointless. You’ve been shown several times from several posters that this is happening for one reason and only one reason. I’ve continued on hoping at some point you would take the time to consider reason, logic, and thoughtfulness. That isn’t happening. It isn’t surprising. You carry water well.

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5 minutes ago, ben4titans said:

 

Who were the 4 GOP Senators who brought the bill?

 

Flake - despised by voters, he quit

Rubio - trounced by Trump in primary, voters hated his immigration stance and loved Trump's.

McCain - despised by GOP, now operates the rest of his days on this Earth to destroy Trump. 

Graham - the only one on the list who still has some support albeit, very little.

 

In other words, by them helping pass this bill it killed their political futures and brought about Donald Trump.

 

Do you remember 2013 and the time between now and then?

 

Dems are more than ready to sign a bill on their terms. We've seen that already. They and some swamp GOP, have no problem selling this country out. Been happening for years. But the second any protections are added for the American people...it's time to fire up the Nazi Concentration Camp comparisons and much immigrant children. To fuck with American children and more specifically minority children. 

 

14 republican senators voted for the bill.  But you ignore the larger point.  Republicans have controlled congress every since.  Where is there bill.  What have they done?

 

Keep trying.

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35 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

 

 

Their next argument is discussing people in jail who have their kids taken from them. They fail to realize it is the right who has continued to promote the drug laws they’re even really discussing in the first place. They fail to mention the kids are given to the significant other. If not, to family. If that isn’t available and they’re an infant they stay with the parent in jail...because an infant does not need to be around strangers and in foster care. It is the equivalent of trying to reason with a stubborn child, which doesn’t surprise me seeing as they constantly carry water for Trump. 

This isn’t a localized issue to only this board. Not even close. 

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The discussion of legislative voting records obfuscates the fact that the current policy of child abuse was never voted upon.

 

Rather the zero-tolerance policy was a uni-lateral executive action, intended to win a legislative concession.

 

The administration chose to abuse children to make a political point.  That is reprehensible.

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Aside being disgusting, these actions are quite possibly unconstitutional.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause

 

5th Amendment: No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

 

14th Amendment: [N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

 

Abusing a child without due process fits into the above categories.

 

This policy is profoundly un-American.

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2 hours ago, ctm said:

Do your own homework.  But here's some hints.  First, democrats only had a majority for only about a year out of the two years.  Al Franken took office late because of a recount and then Teddy Kennedy died.  Second, the economy was in deep recession in 2009 and there were other legislative priorities.  Finally and most important, democrats didn't block any immigration reform during that time like republicans have been doing since 2013, as I just showed.

 

If you are going to claim, as you did up thread, that it takes more than just republican votes then be aware that House republicans refused to bring a senate bill that passed with a huge bi-partisan majority up for a vote.

 

You are thinking of supermajority.   Democrats had both house and Senate the whole 1st two years of Obama.

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Regarding the 2013 immigration bill that passed the senate by 68-32, this is what House republicans refused to bring to the floor for a vote:

 

Senate negotiators have clinched a deal that would double the number of patrol agents and double the length of fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border, giving the Senate immigration reform bill a major boost.

 

The amendment is expected to cost more than $30 billion, and members of the Gang of Eight expressed confidence it would help achieve 100 percent border surveillance and a 90 percent apprehension rate of illegal entrants along the southern border.

 

“Certainly, securing the border should not be an issue if this amendment passes,” Corker said. “If this amendment can pass, I think it will add tremendous momentum to the bill.”

 

The Corker-Hoeven amendment would double the number of border patrol agents from 20,000 to 40,000 and authorize the construction of 700 miles of fencing along the southern border, twice as much as authorized in the base bill.

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/306739-reports-senators-reach-tentative-deal-on-border-security-

 

The Corker/Hoeven passed with 68 votes and was part of the base bill that House republicans refused to vote on.  Republicans have been in charge of both houses of Congress ever since 2010.

 

 

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Just now, oldschool said:

I don't give a flying fuck what our resident GOP sheep think. This building and the dam is about to break. Even Laura Bush is speaking out. It's only a matter of time.

As I said above, this policy isn't sustainable.  On the other hand, Trump never backs down.  It will be interesting to see what republicans do to put an end to this inhuman PR disaster of a policy.  I don't expect anything substantial on the legislative or policy front but they've got to do something to cover their ass.

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“Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso,” she continued. “These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history.”

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/18/white-house-looks-to-contain-damage-as-laura-bush-joins-critics-family-separations.html

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1 hour ago, Little Earl said:

You are thinking of supermajority.   Democrats had both house and Senate the whole 1st two years of Obama.

This is not the first time I've heard or read this talking point about Democrats having both house and Senate for the first two years of the Obama presidency. According to this logic, if you have a majority control, you can pass any bill. Tackle any complex issue and pass a bill within those first two years . Like many of the talking points that people parrot, it's repeated mindlessly without any context.

 

It's repeated without acknowledging how the minority party in our government can still impact, filibuster, slow down or even derail legislation. For example, if it's so easy to pass legislation when you have the majority, the Republicans currently have control of the House and Senate have they repealed and replaced the ACA?  Have they funded  the wall? 

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