FBI is raiding the office of President Trump's main attorney, Cohen

[Justafan]

They're all worried because they were all convinced of their "Storm" and how the destruction of Clinton was really coming.  

 

They still haven't figured out that fiasco is over.  Now that the conspiracy they all hung their hopes and dreams on turns out to be nothing and reality sets in, this is what you get.  The real storm.

 

Here's the truth:

 

If conservatives really believed he was innocent, then they wouldn't be in such a panic, constantly trying to undermine the investigation.  They only do that because they are afraid of what it will uncover.

 

Most Americans think Trump did something illegal.  The vast majority of people think Trump did something at the very least immoral.  They want to know, they deserve to know.  It doesn't matter what the cucks think, it doesn't matter what Trump thinks, and regardless of what they tell you, they are not the majority.  

 

I'm the fucking majority.  

 

They act like Rosenstein is just acting unilaterally here.  The intelligence committee must be out to get Trump.  All the Republicans who have warned Trump not to shut down the investigation must be out to get Trump.  All the lawyers, District Attorneys, FBI agents investigating, the Grand Jury, the Judges who have issued warrants, the entire intelligence community, The Justice Department and everyone else involved.  Literally, hundreds of people working together... all in on a witch hunt just to take down this innocent President because they REALLY liked Hillary Clinton and just can't get over Trump being President.  Even Ben doesn't really believe that stupidity.  

 

Trump can't fire Mueller and if he tries, it will invoke impeachment hearings.  He would have done this a LONG time ago if he had not been told by multiple people that they will come after him if he tries to shut it down.  

 

These people are crooks and those on the right only don't believe that because it is politically inconvenient to see the truth and because they have been fed bullshit by media sources they trust from day one (To be fair, so have liberals).  They have been so convinced that the left media is so bad and so crooked that they never stopped to realize that conservative media is just as bad.  Sean Hannity doesn't care about you.  Hannity and all his ilk are vile people who sell hate to make money.  And the angry conservative right has been eating it up.  There's your truth.  

 

All they have is anger at the left but the left didn't do this.  Mueller is a war hero and a highly respected FBI investigator that the Republicans LOVED when he was appointed because they thought he would go easy on their boy.  He hasn't and now they have gone to EXTREME lengths to discredit him, destroy his legacy and career, and paint a picture of him as some diabolical political weapon.  No one in Washington really believes that, but they know enough of the suckers will buy it to try and save their own sorry hides.

 

Mueller has done everything he can to be apolitical and actually investigate the criminals.  He's gotten indictment after indictment.  He's revealed so much about what actually happened and how it was done.  These people sold all of us out.  Now they're asking me to believe the guy who lied about bone spurs to avoid war service over the guy who won medals for valor and then went on take down the biggest crime families in America, and oh has acted with nothing but professionalism and has presented evidence at every slow painful step.  Clown vs. professional.  Tweets vs. evidence.  Cult vs. a unified America.  These are not difficult choices.

 

Nothing ben is spouting is even plausible.  Secession?  Listen to yourself.  We have disagreements but that is straight crazy talk.  You don't even have a majority in many of the states that voted for Trump and I guarantee you that the moment dickwads get out in public and start talking about separating the union, public opinion is going to turn drastically against you.

 

You think people want a civil war?  I bet you couldn't get 5% of the population to sign up for that.  There is too much money to be made.  Life is too good.  Too many people understand that your sick twisted way of thinking is coming to a slow demise.  

[ctm]

Mueller, Sessions, Rosenstein, US attorney southern district of NY, FISA judges......all republicans

 

It's a conspiracy by the deep state!

[9 Nines]

11 hours ago, animatormike said:

Ben,

 

Are you missing that Mueller appears to have determined that this was outside the bounds of his investigation and turned the matter over to the Southern District of NY?   

 

 

This is just an initially guess and it seems likely but the raid might have been part of the Mueller investigation and Mueller chose the Southern District  of NY because they have expertise in the area of evidence gathering that was thought to be in the offices. Experts said that happens often on specialized evidence.

Edited April 10, 2018 by 9 Nines

[LongTimeFan]

Well Cohen obviously did something wrong. However, without knowing why they raided his places, speculating it ties directly to Trump is just that, speculation. None of the other indictments tied directly to Trump. Maybe this one will, maybe not.

[Starkiller]

20 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Well Cohen obviously did something wrong. However, without knowing why they raided his places, speculating it ties directly to Trump is just that, speculation. None of the other indictments tied directly to Trump. Maybe this one will, maybe not.

The info came from the Mueller investigation. Cohen is yet another Trump associate to come under scrutiny. He has been involved with Trump and foreign dealings (including Russia) in addition to the Stormy Daniels payoff. 

 

But sure... maybe it has nothing to do with Trump whatsoever...

[9 Nines]

45 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

Well Cohen obviously did something wrong. However, without knowing why they raided his places, speculating it ties directly to Trump is just that, speculation. None of the other indictments tied directly to Trump. Maybe this one will, maybe not.

From what I gathered from analyses yesterday:

 

1) It is a high burden to get warrants to search attorney offices. It is a higher burden than others since attorneys are officers of the legal system and have client-attorney privilege.  To grant such a warrant means the judge saw evidence and arguments that there was an unusually high risk that Cohen might destroy evidence.  So this is a very big deal and almost certainly means, unless Cohen was successful in destroying evidence, (which would be very hard in the day of electronic copies and traces on servers outside Cohen's control), then odds are very good that damning evidence will be obtained. Also, the timing, if it is not related to Trump, it does not seem the urgency would be so high. If COhen just illegally handled the affairs of another client, would there be such a rush to overcome this higher hurdle?

 

2) Cohen does have other clients than Trump but very few. He does not seem to practice law much. He appears to be more of a relationship manager/go-between with other parties and Trump.   

 

3) The raid was either to assist Mueller's investigation and/or just a referral from Mueller. 

 

You add all those (1) urgency and timing, (2) most of Cohen's work is for Trump and (3) this raid originated from an investigation that seems centered around Trump and you get pretty good odds the raid ties to Trump. 

Edited April 10, 2018 by 9 Nines

[9 Nines]

On another point on whether the raid is related to Trump:

 

For ~10 years prior to Trump becoming President, Cohen was employed by the Trump organization as an executive (I highly doubt Trump would have allowed an executive of his organization to work on non-Trump jobs.)

 

Since Trump became president, Cohen is no longer employed by the Trump organization directly but is described as "President Trump's personal attorney" and as Cohen put it: "  that he’ll be wherever the new president wants him. If (Trump) wants me to sit in the Oval Office, I’ll be at the Oval Office,” he said. “If he wants me in New York, I’ll be in New York.”

 

Based on how controlling Trump is and based on what we know about Cohen work with Trump, it seems extremely unlikely that Cohen has done anything professional in the last ten years that did not relate to Trump.  So if the raid yesterday was not tied to Trump, that means it would be tied to something Cohen did over ten years ago.  While investigators would care about 10+ year old crimes, I doubt a warrant issued over the high hurdle of raiding a lawyer's office was granted for a cold case crime. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Cohen_(lawyer)

 

https://therealdeal.com/2017/02/08/the-koan-of-michael-cohen/

Edited April 10, 2018 by 9 Nines

[Bink]

4 hours ago, Justafan said:

They're all worried because they were all convinced of their "Storm" and how the destruction of Clinton was really coming.  

 

They still haven't figured out that fiasco is over.  Now that the conspiracy they all hung their hopes and dreams on turns out to be nothing and reality sets in, this is what you get.  The real storm.

 

Here's the truth:

 

If conservatives really believed he was innocent, then they wouldn't be in such a panic, constantly trying to undermine the investigation.  They only do that because they are afraid of what it will uncover.

 

Most Americans think Trump did something illegal.  The vast majority of people think Trump did something at the very least immoral.  They want to know, they deserve to know.  It doesn't matter what the cucks think, it doesn't matter what Trump thinks, and regardless of what they tell you, they are not the majority.  

 

I'm the fucking majority.  

 

They act like Rosenstein is just acting unilaterally here.  The intelligence committee must be out to get Trump.  All the Republicans who have warned Trump not to shut down the investigation must be out to get Trump.  All the lawyers, District Attorneys, FBI agents investigating, the Grand Jury, the Judges who have issued warrants, the entire intelligence community, The Justice Department and everyone else involved.  Literally, hundreds of people working together... all in on a witch hunt just to take down this innocent President because they REALLY liked Hillary Clinton and just can't get over Trump being President.  Even Ben doesn't really believe that stupidity.  

 

Trump can't fire Mueller and if he tries, it will invoke impeachment hearings.  He would have done this a LONG time ago if he had not been told by multiple people that they will come after him if he tries to shut it down.  

 

These people are crooks and those on the right only don't believe that because it is politically inconvenient to see the truth and because they have been fed bullshit by media sources they trust from day one (To be fair, so have liberals).  They have been so convinced that the left media is so bad and so crooked that they never stopped to realize that conservative media is just as bad.  Sean Hannity doesn't care about you.  Hannity and all his ilk are vile people who sell hate to make money.  And the angry conservative right has been eating it up.  There's your truth.  

 

All they have is anger at the left but the left didn't do this.  Mueller is a war hero and a highly respected FBI investigator that the Republicans LOVED when he was appointed because they thought he would go easy on their boy.  He hasn't and now they have gone to EXTREME lengths to discredit him, destroy his legacy and career, and paint a picture of him as some diabolical political weapon.  No one in Washington really believes that, but they know enough of the suckers will buy it to try and save their own sorry hides.

 

Mueller has done everything he can to be apolitical and actually investigate the criminals.  He's gotten indictment after indictment.  He's revealed so much about what actually happened and how it was done.  These people sold all of us out.  Now they're asking me to believe the guy who lied about bone spurs to avoid war service over the guy who won medals for valor and then went on take down the biggest crime families in America, and oh has acted with nothing but professionalism and has presented evidence at every slow painful step.  Clown vs. professional.  Tweets vs. evidence.  Cult vs. a unified America.  These are not difficult choices.

 

Nothing ben is spouting is even plausible.  Secession?  Listen to yourself.  We have disagreements but that is straight crazy talk.  You don't even have a majority in many of the states that voted for Trump and I guarantee you that the moment dickwads get out in public and start talking about separating the union, public opinion is going to turn drastically against you.

 

You think people want a civil war?  I bet you couldn't get 5% of the population to sign up for that.  There is too much money to be made.  Life is too good.  Too many people understand that your sick twisted way of thinking is coming to a slow demise.  

[Stranger]

Here's the gif version of @Justafan's post if anyone needs it. 

 

[reo]

12 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

Well Cohen obviously did something wrong. However, without knowing why they raided his places, speculating it ties directly to Trump is just that, speculation. None of the other indictments tied directly to Trump. Maybe this one will, maybe not.

Speculation? Yes. Well founded speculation? Very possibly. 

[pat]

Trump is not your guy.  Let him die on that hill alone.

[OILERMAN]

How the Cohen Raids and Trump’s Reactions Edge Us Toward Confrontation
By Benjamin Wittes

 

Quote:

I will put this as bluntly as I know how: There is no way that the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York would have sought or executed a search warrant against the president’s lawyer without overpowering evidence to support the action. The legal standard for such a search requires only probable cause that criminal activity is taking place. Under normal circumstances, which these are not, the prudential and policy factors counseling against such an action would be powerful.

For starters, the Justice Department is institutionally cautious about searches involving attorneys acting in their role as attorneys. As Paul Rosenzweig noted, “the U.S. Attorney’s Manual has an entire section that limits how and when the offices of an attorney may be searched. Realizing full well that such searches are in derogation of the value of the [attorney-client] privilege, the manual requires high-level approvals, the exhaustion of other investigative avenues, and specifies procedures that are to be followed to limit the intrusion on privileged documents.” Moreover, the Justice Department would have been additionally cautious about seeking any warrant against this particular lawyer—precisely because doing so makes clear that a ring is closing around the president. Going after a prominent person’s lawyer for matters related to his representation of the client is, after all, an aggressive act toward the client, not just toward the lawyer. And Trump is, as he puts it, a counterpuncher.

This is the kind of step that would predictably elicit a reaction. The Justice Department simply would not take such an action lightly or without evidence that emphatically supports it. Add these prudential, legal and policy factors together and they cumulatively suggest that the evidence supporting the warrant application likely exceeds—probably by far—what is legally required.

Put another way, Cohen’s situation, and thus Trump’s situation, is grave.

[OzTitan]

15 minutes ago, Soxcat said:

So as usual the libtards have a double standard.  If Obama or the Clinton'ss PRIVATE attorney was raided like this the left would be shitting bricks.  This IMO has gone off the deep end. 

Name one left poster here who went all ben when a dem or close dem associated was raided.

[animatormike]

1 hour ago, Soxcat said:

So as usual the libtards have a double standard.  If Obama or the Clinton'ss PRIVATE attorney was raided like this the left would be shitting bricks.  This IMO has gone off the deep end. 

Why would we have worried about it - hell, Obama wasn't even American.

[Starkiller]

1 hour ago, Soxcat said:

So as usual the libtards have a double standard.  If Obama or the Clinton'ss PRIVATE attorney was raided like this the left would be shitting bricks.  This IMO has gone off the deep end. 

Obama would never gotten himself into a situation like this in the first place...