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1 hour ago, oldschool said:

Poor duckie. Not only blinded by hatred, he doesn't even understand the role of the DNC and RNC. 

Tell it to the legal team suing the DNC and the court, as well as judge that have allowed the case to go forward.

 

I just find it interesting that you twisted little pricks will make any argument to save your corrupt asses.

Even if it means claiming your "right" to unethical behavior.

 

smgdh

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1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

The case won't go anywhere. What the DNC did was morally wrong but not illegal. What bothers me is people won't even admit it was wrong or don't think it was wrong which shows things will stay exactly the same.Oh well. 

It wasn't wrong. Bernie wasn't a Democrat. They were under no obligation to equally support him. The RNC tried to do the same thing to Trump. The DNC/RNC do not eixst to level the playing field. They push their own candidates. Unless you can show me real evidence you are on the wrong side of this. 

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Justafan   

The DNC and RNC are both such established political institutions that there should be more oversight into how they are operated.  

 

No, the DNC did not break any laws but that doesn't mean this is the way it should be.  

 

Any primary process that gives us Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as our only two viable options is heavily flawed.  

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Mythos27   
17 minutes ago, oldschool said:

It wasn't wrong. Bernie wasn't a Democrat. They were under no obligation to equally support him. The RNC tried to do the same thing to Trump. The DNC/RNC do not eixst to level the playing field. They push their own candidates. Unless you can show me real evidence you are on the wrong side of this. 

You can't publicly claim neutrality and then privately push one candidate over the other. It's dishonest on it's face and dishonesty is morally wrong no matter whose doing it. There is no escaping this fact. What the RNC did to Trump was also wrong and only served to fuel his claims that the whole system is rigged. The difference was that Trump was far and away the most popular Republican candidate while it was close between Hillary and Bernie. The RNC tried to rig it in every way possible but Trump was just too popular. Hillary had too much name recognition, allies in the media, etc for Bernie to overcome that and the DNC's influence in what would've been a close primary even without these things. The DNC formally apologized to Bernie in writing, the campaign chair was forced to step down, yet nothing happened? Gimme a break. At the very least the DNC knew exactly what it would look like to the public and had to try to save face. The "nothing happened" gaslighting needs to stop.It wasn't illegal but it was wrong and people are right to question their integrity. You don't apologize when you've done nothing wrong. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/25/debbie-wasserman-schultz-booed-dnc-fbi-email-hack

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20 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You can't publicly claim neutrality and then privately push one candidate over the other. It's dishonest on it's face and dishonesty is morally wrong no matter whose doing it. There is no escaping this fact. What the RNC did to Trump was also wrong and only served to fuel his claims that the whole system is rigged. The difference was that Trump was far and away the most popular Republican candidate while it was close between Hillary and Bernie. The RNC tried to rig it in every way possible but Trump was just too popular. Hillary had too much name recognition, allies in the media, etc for Bernie to overcome that and the DNC's influence in what would've been a close primary even without these things. The DNC formally apologized to Bernie in writing, the campaign chair was forced to step down, yet nothing happened? Gimme a break. At the very least the DNC knew exactly what it would look like to the public and had to try to save face. The "nothing happened" gaslighting needs to stop.It wasn't illegal but it was wrong and people are right to question their integrity. You don't apologize when you've done nothing wrong. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/25/debbie-wasserman-schultz-booed-dnc-fbi-email-hack

As we established, she is an idiot.

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Mythos27   
1 minute ago, oldschool said:

As we established, she is an idiot.

Saying she's an idiot is an easy out. She wasn't too dumb to know exactly what she was doing. As the chair person, she also spoke for her party and in effect her party lied about maintaining neutrality. This was wrong. People are pissed and felt duped and had every right to feel that way. No laws were broken but confidence in the DNC has surely been shaken in a time where we need leadership the most. It's a problem that affects us all.

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1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

Saying she's an idiot is an easy out. She wasn't too dumb to know exactly what she was doing. As the chair person, she also spoke for her party and in effect her party lied about maintaining neutrality. This was wrong. People are pissed and felt duped and had every right to feel that way. No laws were broken but confidence in the DNC has surely been shaken in a time where we need leadership the most. It's a problem that affects us all.

Democratic leadership is a joke right now but you are making this way more of an issue than it really is because you are a bernie bro. Hate to break it to you but he wouldn't have survived the general election cycle. The guy is a self proclaimed socialist and we know how those on the right and in the center view socialism.  

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Mythos27   
Just now, oldschool said:

Democratic leadership is a joke right now but you are making this way more of an issue than it really is because you are a bernie bro. Hate to break it to you but he wouldn't have survived the general election cycle. The guy is a self proclaimed socialist and we know how those on the right and in the center view socialism.  

The Bernie Bro thing is a myth fabricated out of whole cloth by the Clinton machine. It's from the same playbook she used in 2008 against Obama except then she called them the "Obama boys". It's a well-documented smear. My main beef isn't even with Hillary; it's wit people that complain about the status quo and then work to maintain it. We hand-wring about how dirty politics are and then defend the dirt when it seems beneficial. I'm not into that.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-bros-phenomenon-recalls-the-obama-boys-of-08-ibtimes/

http://observer.com/2016/02/hillary-backers-dissing-obama-boys-and-bernie-bros-hurts-feminism/

 

Bernie had a much better chance against Trump because he was strong in the exact points that Hillary was weak. Trump couldn't have played the "I'm just an outsider, non-establishment guy fighting for the little guy" as effectively against Bernie as he did against Hillary who literally was the establishment. Bernie was much stronger with working class and blue collar voters and likely would've held the rust belt. Bernie consistently polled as a stronger candidate against Trump than Hillary for a very long time in the national polls that proved to be fairly accurate. There is also the fact that you "moderates" would've hopped on board and voted for him just to stop Trump, thus he would've had a more unified coalition. It's also funny that Hillary people keep talking about Bernie not surviving a general campaign when Hillary clearly did not. 

 

But all of that is beside today's point. Today's point is that the DNC acted dishonestly and that while I understand your impulse to defend them, you can't. There is no defense for knowingly lying.

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patsplat   

The party's aren't neutral, they are full of people trying to work together to form a consensus that WINS.  Democrats failed last year, despite having a majority of the electorate.  That fact demands examination.

 

From everyone running on the left, from Bernie to Hillary to BLM to TheMovement.  @Titansgoodluckcharm what Deray is doing is inexcusable.  But complaining about the DNC isn't the solution.  Cause while you do so, Trump and the NRA are trying to militarize even more public institutions.  You've got to move on.

 

Calling the primaries rigged because one candidate was favored is a waste of time.  Someone is always favored.  The favored doesn't always win.  Ask Jeb and Hillary how it feels to be favored.  Obama was a winner.  He didn't win by complaining about GWB, even though there was plenty to complain about.  He won by organizing people around a compelling vision of the future.

 

Get off of Twitter, and start building real alliances.  

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