Justafan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 7 hours ago, reo said: Manafort maybe? Yea, he's referring to the warrant against Manafort and Page. It's part of the conspiracy plot. Their assertion: The DOJ paid for the Steele Dossier and used that to obtain a FISA warrant using biased Judges and people loyal to Clinton within the DOJ. They then illegally wiretapped the entire Trump campaign and passed info to the Clinton Campaign and now are both covering their tracks and still trying to bring down DJT. Here's the problems with that. The first FISA warrants were obtained in 2014 well before any of that stuff went down. There is zero evidence that Manafort or Page were wiretapped within Trump tower and if there was incidental traffic, that is legal and there is also zero evidence that any of that was passed over to the other side. The DOJ and intelligence services have all denied it vehemently and have provided documents that support their version of events. Steele brought the Dossier to the FBI because he felt it warranted investigation and the FBI was able to corroborate several of the conversations in the Dossier. We now know that Manafort was dirty as were several other people in the campaign. And yet, somehow it was bias to go after them. The logic you have to use to follow this conspiracy theory the trumkins have cooked up is warped. You have to give Hannity credit though. He is a master of noncommital and so he just offers possibilities and lets "the viewers decide" then when he has to change course, such as what has happened with Roy Moore, he always has an out and so he can spin shit just as bat fucking crazy as Alex Jones and yet not be nailed for it because he didn't say it actually happened that way, only that it COULD have happened that way. Then he wants to attack the media all while pretending like he has the little guys' interests at heart. All the while he rakes in 36 million a year in profits and laughs his ass off at the retards who actually believe him. Downtown, IsntLifeFunny, reo, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted December 10, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 9 hours ago, Little Earl said: Give us a break. Not only do you not know if Mueller has even one piece of evidence against Trump, but you conveniently ignore how Comey simply gave Hillary a pass with the so called interigation. We know Trump and his administration lied their asses off at every turn concerning contacts with Russia. We never talked to Russia, oh yea we talked about adoption, of yea we were trying to get dirt on Hillary but they didn't have any..... We know Flynn is cooperating for a lesser charge and Trump fired Comey to protect Flynn. Trump is afraid of what Flynn can tell. We know Trump wants to lift sanctions on Russia and kisses Putin's ass at every turn. We know Session refused to answer the other day when he was asked if Trump ever got him to contact Russia. Hillary's E-mails? LOL GTFO comparing that to Trump's traitor ass. You know Trump is guilty, you just hope he gets away with it MadMax, begooode, reo, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Justafan said: Yea, he's referring to the warrant against Manafort and Page. It's part of the conspiracy plot. Their assertion: The DOJ paid for the Steele Dossier and used that to obtain a FISA warrant using biased Judges and people loyal to Clinton within the DOJ. They then illegally wiretapped the entire Trump campaign and passed info to the Clinton Campaign and now are both covering their tracks and still trying to bring down DJT. Here's the problems with that. The first FISA warrants were obtained in 2014 well before any of that stuff went down. There is zero evidence that Manafort or Page were wiretapped within Trump tower and if there was incidental traffic, that is legal and there is also zero evidence that any of that was passed over to the other side. The DOJ and intelligence services have all denied it vehemently and have provided documents that support their version of events. Steele brought the Dossier to the FBI because he felt it warranted investigation and the FBI was able to corroborate several of the conversations in the Dossier. We now know that Manafort was dirty as were several other people in the campaign. And yet, somehow it was bias to go after them. The logic you have to use to follow this conspiracy theory the trumkins have cooked up is warped. You have to give Hannity credit though. He is a master of noncommital and so he just offers possibilities and lets "the viewers decide" then when he has to change course, such as what has happened with Roy Moore, he always has an out and so he can spin shit just as bat fucking crazy as Alex Jones and yet not be nailed for it because he didn't say it actually happened that way, only that it COULD have happened that way. Then he wants to attack the media all while pretending like he has the little guys' interests at heart. All the while he rakes in 36 million a year in profits and laughs his ass off at the retards who actually believe him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, thor said: MadMax, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Downtown Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Wow @Justafan , I didn't think @thor could actually be referring to the Manafort or even Page FISA warrants. That's next-level idiot stuff. @thor do you just take whatever right-wing conspiracy sites publish as gospel? To obtain and more importantly, maintain a FISA warrant past 90 days you have to produce intelligence to prove to the court. Case closed. This is close to as weak of a conspiracy you could possibly have at this point and THAT'S saying something. If that's really what Thor is hinting towards, then no shit people go silent when he brings it up. I'm sure folks get real quiet when he starts in on flat-earth conspiracies as well. reo, Justafan, begooode, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Justafan Posted December 10, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 Just now, Downtown said: Wow @Justafan , I didn't think @thor could actually be referring to the Manafort or even Page FISA warrants. That's next-level idiot stuff. @thor do you just take whatever right-wing conspiracy sites publish as gospel? To obtain and more importantly, maintain a FISA warrant past 90 days you have to produce intelligence to prove to the court. Case closed. This is close to as weak of a conspiracy you could possibly have at this point and THAT'S saying something. If that's really what Thor is hinting towards, then no shit people go silent when he brings it up. I'm sure folks get real quiet when he starts in on flat-earth conspiracies as well. They know he's guilty. For them it's all a big game and the only thing that matters is that their side wins. @OILERMAN nailed it. begooode, reo, Starkiller, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Justafan said: They know he's guilty. For them it's all a big game and the only thing that matters is that their side wins. @OILERMAN nailed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 14 minutes ago, thor said: MadMax, reo, and begooode 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 16 hours ago, Starkiller said: So you think we should fire every law enforcement officer in this country who has ever voted, donated to any political campaign, or made any comment on any political issue??? Whatever case they make will have to be based on evidence. It doesn’t matter what their political opinions are, it only matters what they can find. Having an anti-Trump group of investigators would eliminate any possibility of trying to cover up incriminating evidence. So unless your argument is that these career law enforcement experts are going to fabricate evidence (which could all be checked for validity) then there is no rational concern of bias. Mueller will write up a report when it is all over. Evidence does not always lead to one definite conclusion. Bias can lead one to interpret evidence in one way, and ignore it or pass over evidence that points in a different direction. Clinton used that argument well against Ken Star. My guess is the groundwork is being laid to use that argument if this ever goes to impeachment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 37 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Mueller will write up a report when it is all over. Evidence does not always lead to one definite conclusion. Bias can lead one to interpret evidence in one way, and ignore it or pass over evidence that points in a different direction. Clinton used that argument well against Ken Star. My guess is the groundwork is being laid to use that argument if this ever goes to impeachment. Ken Starr himself said he never found anything the Clintons did other than Monica. Again, it will all come down to what evidence they can find. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Ken Starr himself said he never found anything the Clintons did other than Monica. Again, it will all come down to what evidence they can find. Not true. Starr said he thought the Clintons were guilty of wrong doing in Whitewater, but presumed he did not have enough conclusive evidence for a grand jury to indict a sitting president and first lady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 5 minutes ago, Little Earl said: Not true. Starr said he thought the Clintons were guilty of wrong doing in Whitewater, but presumed he did not have enough conclusive evidence for a grand jury to indict a sitting president and first lady. Ahem... it’s all about the evidence... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Ahem... it’s all about the evidence... True, which is something they do not have on Trump, or Ray Moore. Edited December 10, 2017 by Little Earl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted December 10, 2017 Report Share Posted December 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Little Earl said: True, which is something they do not have on Trump, or Ray Moore. Oh? You’ve seen all the evidence they have on Trump then? And there is evidence that Moore lied about never knowing the women who have made claims about him. We also know that the women have no political ax to grind because many (all?) of them voted for Trump. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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