tgo Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Face said: I've been meaning to focus in on Cyprien more to see how exactly they're using him. From what I've read the main problem he had in Jax was that the SS had to play a lot of man on the TE & slot WR. Cyprien is a big, strong, explosive safety, he's 6'0 217. But he doesn't have the hips & fluidity to play man, and he was scorched. He's at his best playing zone on passing downs, as he's very fast he can get to passes & break them up. So I actually think he may be best in the box stuffing the run on early downs & as a deep safety on passing downs, using his speed to range from sideline to sideline. I remember Robinson saying the main reason they signed him was because of how good he is at covering TEs in man coverage. I actually thought the consensus was that he was a poor fit in Jacksonville’s zone scheme last year and they had him playing single high too much at times, when his best attributes were covering TEs one on one and playing in the box against the run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huston Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 6 hours ago, OILERMAN said: It looked to me like Cyprien mostly played single high with Byard more in the box and Byard didn't cover Doyle much if at all. It seemed like they played a little more zone this game maybe that's why Doyle was uncover a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 Byard is much improved, but that's not my main issue here. We need an intervention. Why do people quote entire long posts, videos included, when simply responding? It's annoying. Stop being lazy and just quote the part you are referencing. wiscotitansfan, Alcibiades, 10 A See, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, cenj said: Stop being lazy and just quote the part you are referencing. Amen, I love it when people not only quote the entirety of a very long post but also when it is the 2nd post in a thread and they are quoting the OP! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted November 27, 2017 Report Share Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: Where I say anything about picks? Thats obcvously the way you think, so dont put it on me. No one buys that bullshit. rns90, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 He's been PFF's #3 safety for weeks now and has been top 5 pretty much all year. At this point people have to prove he isn't a top 5 safety and use tape to do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 16 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: 7 tackles and 1 PD in 2 games. Baller. Unless its his presence alone that is doing wonders.... Just keep digging that hole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenTitan Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 17 hours ago, JakePA_Titan said: 7 tackles and 1 PD in 2 games. Baller. Unless its his presence alone that is doing wonders.... Your an idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Poor Jake. TheChosenTitan, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 0:48 PM, JakePA_Titan said: I forgot, when a players stats arent good, you go right to the "its not all about stats". Yet, yall wonder why players who have inferior stats get no national love. Anyone who thinks Byards play over the past two games have been top 5 worthy, you're fucking morons. Just like last year with Mariota. "Hes a top 5 QB!!!!". Where he at now?...In your dumbass heads, Im sure still top 5. Because stats have nothing to do with it... PFF pretty much uses an aggregate of all stats and they think he's 3rd best the league. Using stats to descredit Byard is literally worst way to about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcibiades Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Stats are fine, but safeties don't usually rack up PDs. They aren't in that kind of coverage. What have the offenses we've faced done? The answer is that they have done very little in the games in question. Byard is part of that. The Colts couldn't do anything with their WRs. Our defense played a hell of a game. If you want to say the Colts offense isn't that good, that's fine. But the defense still shut them down pretty well. Byard is part of that. Some of our sacks were coverage sacks. And we don't WANT Byard making lots of tackles. He's our high safety. If he's making tackles, then we are getting beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG53 Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:48 AM, JakePA_Titan said: I forgot, when a players stats arent good, you go right to the "its not all about stats". Yet, yall wonder why players who have inferior stats get no national love. Anyone who thinks Byards play over the past two games have been top 5 worthy, you're fucking morons. Just like last year with Mariota. "Hes a top 5 QB!!!!". Where he at now?...In your dumbass heads, Im sure still top 5. Because stats have nothing to do with it... Jfc you are fucking clueless. IsntLifeFunny, StephenIsLegend, TitanJoe, and 1 other 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, WG53 said: Jfc you are fucking clueless. If there was somehow a chance it was all shtick then it would be genius because it’s really hard to be this consistently wrong about everything all the time. XAEA12, and TitanJoe 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 Well let’s see there Jake: he has the most Ints in the league. He’s constantly around the ball making plays and breaking up passes. He’s a good blitzer and run stuffer. He also is first in pro bowl voting and may win all pro. So...by every metric you’re wrong as usual. XAEA12, tgo, pat, and 1 other 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted November 30, 2017 Report Share Posted November 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Mythos27 said: PFF pretty much uses an aggregate of all stats and they think he's 3rd best the league. Using stats to descredit Byard is literally worst way to about it. The only negative for Byard this year is missed tackles, he's missed a couple big open field tackles, the one on the AJ Green 75 yarder being the one that really sticks out. PFF basically said that was what was holding him out of the top spot. But hey, tackling is huge. It's not the exciting stuff like picks or forced fumbles, but the AJG play is a perfect example of how important it is. Bill Walsh listed what he felt was the 5 most important spots after QB & he had safety 3rd, mainly because of the importance of them making tackles. He said the average fan has no idea how huge some seemingly ho hum tackles are. He said top safeties prevent a lot of big runs, and are often the difference in a completed pass being 12 yards or a long score. Id still take a stud man corner over a star safety all day everyday though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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