heyitsmeallen Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Number9 said: I'm a poker player--not an international financier. Well if you are a poker player in a state where online gambling is illegal and you are using BTC to bet and cash out.....When you convert it to cash you are also a money launderer so that might be the problem with coinbase. At least that's hetabive heard around the web. Coinbase flags any transactions from known gambling websites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, heyitsmeallen said: Well if you are a poker player in a state where online gambling is illegal and you are using BTC to bet and cash out.....When you convert it to cash you are also a money launderer so that might be the problem with coinbase. At least that's hetabive heard around the web. Coinbase flags any transactions from known gambling websites. Let’s just say Coinbase is a bunch of crooks. Did you read any of the complaints? It’s not about me. heyitsmeallen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Number9 said: I think I put something about this in the poker thread. Bitcoin is the main currency exchange for online poker. I don't invest in it, I sell it as soon as I get it. I got about 20K during the WSOP. I sold most all of it individuals, but deposited $3800. into my checking account. It was the day before the fork, BTC 2750?. It's $7300 now. Short story. I never got my $3800. Coinbase who I used had no phone number and still has no email address. Weeks and weeks of trying to contact them on FB and Twitter support sites, nothing. They finally released a phone number. Call. Wait 30 mins on hold, then "we're sorry, but we can't get to your call in a timely manner. Please call back later." This happen several times, until finally I got an agent. "Oh! We'll put you on our priority list." I was told that about four times. Then they finally said they sent it to my bank. I had my broker write a letter saying Chase has no record of a deposit. Not good enough. I had my broker call them twice, always some kind of run around. I asked them to produce a tracking number. "no can do. you have to have a letter from Chase." I finally turned it over to the https://www.consumerfinance.gov a protection bureau set up for citizens. Yes, they've heard of Coinbase. Others have too. https://www.coindesk.com/report-customer-complaints-coinbase-rise/ https://99bitcoins.com/coinbase-review-6-controversial-issues/ I could fill the page. Buying btc, no problem. Using btc to make purchases, no problem. CONVERTING btc into CASH. BIG PROBLEM They just owe me $3800. The coin I sold is no worth over 10K. On 11/4/2017 at 5:09 PM, Jamalisms said: I don't trust it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: The problem is btc was 1200 a year ago. Who are all these people with $6000 cash wanting to buy? Supply. No demand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/5/2017 at 8:20 AM, NashvilleNinja said: I honestly don't understand how people can give thin air so much intrinsic value. Paper money may not have any actual value in and of itself, but it is a representation of something valuable, whatever it may be. Once upon a time it actually was backed by something people figured was valuable due to its use. What is bitcoin backed by that gives it value? Why is it worth trading? nothing is worth anything until value is assigned to it. cryptos are becoming the first international currency. there's value in that idea alone. add in the hard to trace and tax part and you;ve got yourself some interesting futures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Number9 said: I think I put something about this in the poker thread. Bitcoin is the main currency exchange for online poker. I don't invest in it, I sell it as soon as I get it. I got about 20K during the WSOP. I sold most all of it individuals, but deposited $3800. into my checking account. It was the day before the fork, BTC 2750?. It's $7300 now. Short story. I never got my $3800. Coinbase who I used had no phone number and still has no email address. Weeks and weeks of trying to contact them on FB and Twitter support sites, nothing. They finally released a phone number. Call. Wait 30 mins on hold, then "we're sorry, but we can't get to your call in a timely manner. Please call back later." This happen several times, until finally I got an agent. "Oh! We'll put you on our priority list." I was told that about four times. Then they finally said they sent it to my bank. I had my broker write a letter saying Chase has no record of a deposit. Not good enough. I had my broker call them twice, always some kind of run around. I asked them to produce a tracking number. "no can do. you have to have a letter from Chase." I finally turned it over to the https://www.consumerfinance.gov a protection bureau set up for citizens. Yes, they've heard of Coinbase. Others have too. https://www.coindesk.com/report-customer-complaints-coinbase-rise/ https://99bitcoins.com/coinbase-review-6-controversial-issues/ I could fill the page. Buying btc, no problem. Using btc to make purchases, no problem. CONVERTING btc into CASH. BIG PROBLEM They just owe me $3800. The coin I sold is no worth over 10K. this sort of thing is what I'm talking about when i say bitcoin isn't liquid. the exchanges suck. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Wow. @Number9, you're still waiting on coinbase? This is the first I've heard of an issue like this or being screwed over by an exchange itself. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, patsplat said: this sort of thing is what I'm talking about when i say bitcoin isn't liquid. the exchanges suck. So who is selling the bitcoin then? If you can buy them, then someone's gotta sell them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 17 minutes ago, Downtown said: So who is selling the bitcoin then? If you can buy them, then someone's gotta sell them. The industrial miners getting rich quick Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Think of it like pork bellies. Think you'll get full price walking a pig to the supermarket? Nope, they'll throw you out. That's why local farmers have to butcher the meat themselves and bring it into town. Similar thing with Bitcoin. Unless you have an exchange it's hard to convert Bitcoin to cash. Even with scale you probably have to discount. The hype is about block chain as a technology, not Bitcoin as a currency. Sure you could get your hands on a $1 million dollar bearer bond but who would break it? Money gets funny when you get away from grocery store amounts. Has as much to do with power as it does economics. Which is why a drug smuggler will get his Bitcoin exchanged for cash, but you won't. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Got my lesson in unregulated commodities with baseball cards early on. That Mark McGuire A's card may be listed at $7, but good luck getting anything out of the Great Escape for it. Starkiller, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 It's going to CRASH. That's the only way out. When the largest, most trusted exchange goes rouge it will be hard to salvage. Coinbase is holding a ton of btc. Coin is not backed by anything, just it's rate of exchange. If I had kept mine, I would have 10K cyber money. It's like money in these games people play. You can only spend it in the game. You can use it online, but I imagine alibaba isn't going to take it. idk. Amazon was doing something with it, but I don't think purchases. They can't send out 1b in mdse and three days later the exchange rate is 80% of their coin. A 20% fall is nothing. If btc fell to 4800, it's still up 300% on the year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 It doesn't have to crash to be a treacherous market. Real estate is another example of a commodities market. Homes may be selling for X, but if you need liquidity the most you get is X/2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyCoins Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Someone in here list the pros and cons of bitcoin. Why is bitcoin better than physical money? Why is it worse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans_Win_Again Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 On 11/6/2017 at 11:19 AM, NashvilleNinja said: Someone in here list the pros and cons of bitcoin. Why is bitcoin better than physical money? Why is it worse? Pros: People say Bitcoin has no intrinsic value, this is true (but what intrinsic value does gold have?), but that doesn't mean it can just be created from thin air. It takes a massive amount of computing power to "mine" a coin. Fixed inflation rate, as incentive for people to use their computing power to process the networks transactions they are rewarded with "mined" bitcoin. The "mining" reward is cut in half at set intervals. At 21 million coins (16 million currently) this reward will end, "miners" will only be rewarded with network transaction fees. Unlike paper money, no one can ever decide to create more. Bitcoin is actually very slow in terms of cryptos but compared to normal remittance methods the 30 minutes to an hour it takes to transfer is lightning quick. It's an excellent way to exchange value across borders. You do not need to rely on a 3rd party to send money. All transactions are on an immutable, virtually unhackable ledger. Blockchain is going to enable the next step forward in accounting. https://www.quora.com/What-is-Triple-Ledger-Accounting Cons: Expensive transactions costs, it costs around 5$ currently to send BTC from one wallet to another. Not widely accepted as payment. Conversion to USD can be a hassle. Volatility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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