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I voted for Clinton but her loyalty to her big donors hurt her too. She wasn't going to attack any of the issues you named. She didn't even move to the left until Sanders forced her to.

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While this might be a kind of truth, the bottom line is you have to have a message that appeals to the people whom really decide elections.  The partisans are going to line up.  It's that swath of peo

Sanders is currently the highest approved of Politician right now Hillary's approval rating is still lower than Trump right now! Hillary didn't "have flaws", she's un-electable. She lost to

You are smarter than this. Clinton obviously carries on the Obama climate initiative and vetos any attempt to repeal the ACA. Most important of all, she ensures the Supreme Court doesn't swing right f

2 hours ago, oldschool said:

Sorry doesn't work that way Bernie bitch. You and more to the point, the idiots in swing states are to blame. You set aside your supposed progressive values because your feelings got hurt. I'll say it again. If you truly gave a shit about climate change, healthcare, the supreme court, etc... You hold your nose and vote Clinton. Blaming her shitty campaign is just you deflecting blame somewhere else because reality is too hard to deal with. 

LOL. SHE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AFTER SHE HAD THE PRIMARY WRAPPED UP! HOW DOES ONE FUCKING DO THAT?! SHE GOT OUTWORKED BY AN ORANGUTAN!!! 

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Her biggest undoing was her abandonment of the working class and their ideals.  Those are the people that either switched or didn't bother to go to the polls where it counted.

And too many progressives have followed her lead.  They're talking about identity politics and immigration and LGBT issues, and they alienated the working class in the process.

People that have struggled for 8 years to find steady work don't care which bathroom you use, but they do care if you want to bring in tens of thousands of people/workers that will work for $5.00 less/hr than they will.  And they don't care what color those people are.  In those critical states she lost, it came down to jobs more than any other single thing.

Bernie might have lost a couple of other sectors, but he'd have retained the working class for the Dems.  The party has dug themselves a hole that will be difficult to climb out of if Trump's job strategies work out.

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9 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

I voted for Clinton but her loyalty to her big donors hurt her too. She wasn't going to attack any of the issues you named. She didn't even move to the left until Sanders forced her to.

You are smarter than this. Clinton obviously carries on the Obama climate initiative and vetos any attempt to repeal the ACA. Most important of all, she ensures the Supreme Court doesn't swing right for a generation or more. 

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7 hours ago, ChesterCopperpot1 said:

LOL. SHE NEVER STEPPED FOOT IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN AFTER SHE HAD THE PRIMARY WRAPPED UP! HOW DOES ONE FUCKING DO THAT?! SHE GOT OUTWORKED BY AN ORANGUTAN!!! 

You are slow for a lawyer. Not going to Wisconsin was dumb as shit and her campaign fucked up. That doesn't absolve you and others from getting someone elected who goes against everything you supposedly stand for. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do. Bannon didn't come out of the woodwork after the election, this isn't a bait and switch scenario. Start accepting responsibility for your actions Bernie bitch.

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24 minutes ago, oldschool said:

You are smarter than this. Clinton obviously carries on the Obama climate initiative and vetos any attempt to repeal the ACA. Most important of all, she ensures the Supreme Court doesn't swing right for a generation or more. 

These are not issues to brag about, this is common sense type stuff. Hillary was going to veto any attempt to repeal ACA and would continue on with the Climate initiative? Good God, I would hope so.

She'll also meet with wall street banks and give everyone the finger when they ask for the transcripts, she was conflicted on the Dakota pipeline(Climate change proponent heh?), she supported the trade deals that people were against, minimum wage etc.....

She was in the pocket of big donors and tried to walk the fence during the campaign, it hurt her bad against Sanders then helped her lose to Trump.

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26 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 That doesn't absolve you and others from getting someone elected who goes against everything you supposedly stand for.

The Democratic establishment got Trump elected, they forced a shit candidate down everyone's throat.

She lost to Donald Fucking Trump, there is no excuse

Sanders was a hand picked tomato can who was suppose to be a punching bag for Hillary. Sanders also went super soft on her to make sure not to damage her too badly.

An old crazy looking socialist jew went 12 rounds and left Hillary battered and then an orange baffoon knocked her out.

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1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

The Democratic establishment got Trump elected, they forced a shit candidate down everyone's throat.

She lost to Donald Fucking Trump, there is no excuse

Sanders was a hand picked tomato can who was suppose to be a punching bag for Hillary. Sanders also went super soft on her to make sure not to damage her too badly.

An old crazy looking socialist jew went 12 rounds and left Hillary battered and then an orange baffoon knocked her out.

This absolves the idiotic american voter. You are falling into the same trap as others. If the issues truly mattered you don't vote against your interest which is exactly what millions like Chester did. It's a joke and they deserve to be called out on it. Once It was down to Clinton or Trump, there was only one decision for those who claim progressive and liberal values. 

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3 hours ago, oldschool said:

You are slow for a lawyer. Not going to Wisconsin was dumb as shit and her campaign fucked up. That doesn't absolve you and others from getting someone elected who goes against everything you supposedly stand for. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do. Bannon didn't come out of the woodwork after the election, this isn't a bait and switch scenario. Start accepting responsibility for your actions Bernie bitch.

I'm not slow. You can blame me all you want, but I'm not the reason she lost. 

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9 hours ago, Rogue said:

While this might be a kind of truth, the bottom line is you have to have a message that appeals to the people whom really decide elections.  The partisans are going to line up.  It's that swath of people that aren't particularly partisan that swing elections.  

How was I able to argue with you guys about Trump's chances?  How did I conclude this chance?  Because even I didn't feel Hillary had MY best interests at heart.  I'm a liberal.  Did Hillary present the liberal choice?  Yeah.  Did she appeal to the people that sway elections?  No...and I understand why.  

There's little doubt Democrats are in a state of crisis.  This is demonstrable.  They've lost the message, period.  But those that believe Republicans are not in state of crisis are underestimating the situation. The are in a position of power, but with that comes the responsibility of leading.  And so far, it's been a struggle to get a foot hold for them.  

Anyways, Democrats have lost their message.  At the very least, they've lost the ability to convey that message.  This is a problem for the Democratic party.  The GOP has their problems, but to ignore the problems in the Democratic party will only lead to more failure.

And by putting Tom Perez to head the DNC shows they still don't get what they're doing. The response has been overwhelmingly "great, another liberal from New York." (Yes, I know he's from Buffalo, but most people just see New York.)

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3 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

The Democratic establishment got Trump elected, they forced a shit candidate down everyone's throat.

She lost to Donald Fucking Trump, there is no excuse

Sanders was a hand picked tomato can who was suppose to be a punching bag for Hillary. Sanders also went super soft on her to make sure not to damage her too badly.

An old crazy looking socialist jew went 12 rounds and left Hillary battered and then an orange baffoon knocked her out.

And most people feel the primary was rigged. Not in the sense that Bernie should have won, but they set it up so Hillary didn't have any real competition. Bernie Fucking Sanders went toe-to-toe with Hillary. A real primary with real competition and she doesn't win the nod. 

I get it: the DNC is a private org. And they can choose who represents them in the election, but don't get mad when she loses in a hilariously bad fashion. If Hillary was a true American who loved her country, she would have never run.

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On 3/23/2017 at 6:40 AM, OILERMAN said:

The Democratic establishment got Trump elected, they forced a shit candidate down everyone's throat.

She lost to Donald Fucking Trump, there is no excuse

Sanders was a hand picked tomato can who was suppose to be a punching bag for Hillary. Sanders also went super soft on her to make sure not to damage her too badly.

An old crazy looking socialist jew went 12 rounds and left Hillary battered and then an orange baffoon knocked her out.

Sounds like someone else got hacked by the red bots too.

Yes Hillary had flaws, but that far left socialist movement evaporated while the middle of the road Women's March has led the opposition.

There was definitely right wing pro Bernie astroturfing with the sole goal of making Hillary voters stay home.  It worked.  It's time to stop repeating Brietbart talking points that had no goal but to divide the progressive vote.

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2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

Sanders is currently the highest approved of Politician right now

Hillary's approval rating is still lower than Trump right now!

Hillary didn't "have flaws", she's un-electable. She lost to a black dude named Hussein and Donald Trump. She cannot beat anyone for president.

I voted for Hillary, she's one of the most qualified people to ever run for president. As a candidate she sucks and people hate her, fair or not. She's the reason people stayed home, not Russians or Steve Bannon

You're being a bit myopic.  Bernie's got the approval rating of a backup QB.

Misogyny was a big theme this election.  There's plenty of douchebag progressive Bernie bros mansplaining Hillary's weakness while her "If that's the woman card deal me in" supporters are actually fighting Trump and his policies.  The former is the problem, the future of the DNC is with the later.

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