Jerry Blair Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14921594/obamacare-implosion-ahca Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans_Win_Again Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 1 hour ago, SoylentGreen said: Bigger than obamacare? Absolutely, seeing as the intention behind the ACA was actually to expand health coverage. The AHCA is just Obamacare without the taxes on the rich to fund subsidies. Who wins in this new deal is clear as day. MadMax 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 6 hours ago, SoylentGreen said: Bigger than obamacare? Yes... Trump ran on covering everybody with cheaper and better insurance. The AHCA will cover less people with more expensive and worse insurance. titansfb 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 9 Nines Posted March 18, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 How can you compete with this kind of stupidity: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-supporter-credits-him-obamacare-benefits The Washington Post noted a health care anecdote out of Nashville that I read three times, just to make sure I wasn’t getting it wrong. Soon after Charla McComic’s son lost his job, his health-insurance premium dropped from $567 per month to just $88, a “blessing from God” that she believes was made possible by President Trump. “I think it was just because of the tax credit,” said McComic, 52, a former first-grade teacher who traveled to Trump’s Wednesday night rally in Nashville from Lexington, Tenn., with her daughter, mother, aunt and cousin. The price change was actually thanks to a subsidy made possible by former president Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, which is still in place, not by the tax credits proposed by Republicans as part of the health-care bill still being considered by Congress. This is quite a moment. We’ve reached the point at which some conservatives decide they like Obamacare so much that they’re inclined to give Trump credit for it. MadMax, No1TitansFan, Titanjuicy, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btowner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, 9 Nines said: How can you compete with this kind of stupidity: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-supporter-credits-him-obamacare-benefits The Washington Post noted a health care anecdote out of Nashville that I read three times, just to make sure I wasn’t getting it wrong. Soon after Charla McComic’s son lost his job, his health-insurance premium dropped from $567 per month to just $88, a “blessing from God” that she believes was made possible by President Trump. “I think it was just because of the tax credit,” said McComic, 52, a former first-grade teacher who traveled to Trump’s Wednesday night rally in Nashville from Lexington, Tenn., with her daughter, mother, aunt and cousin. The price change was actually thanks to a subsidy made possible by former president Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act, which is still in place, not by the tax credits proposed by Republicans as part of the health-care bill still being considered by Congress. This is quite a moment. We’ve reached the point at which some conservatives decide they like Obamacare so much that they’re inclined to give Trump credit for it. Coming to a theatre near you. The Trump years: American dumbassery at its finest. MadMax, and earlers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans_Win_Again Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 Do any Trumpers believe he's actually read this health bill? Or even has a basic understanding of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted March 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/03/only-24-of-voters-support-gop-health-care-plan.html Quote PPP's newest national poll finds that there is very little support for the American Health Care Act. Only 24% of voters support it, to 49% who are opposed. Even among Republican voters only 37% are in favor of the proposal to 22% who are against it, and 41% who aren't sure one way or another. Democrats (15/71) and independents (22/49) are more unified in their opposition to the bill than Republicans are in favor of it. The Affordable Care Act continues to post some of the best numbers it's ever seen, with 47% of voters in favor of it to 39% who are opposed. When voters are asked whether they'd have rather have the Affordable Care Act or the American Health Care Act in place, the Affordable Care Act wins by 20 points at 49/29. Just 32% of voters think the best path forward with the Affordable Care Act is to repeal it and start over, while 63% think it would be better to keep what works in it and fix what doesn't. The GOP is in a tough spot. Even most of their own voters doesn't know what to think about the plan. There are no unified talking points. Explains why our right wing friends have been pretty silent on the matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btowner Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Rogue said: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/03/only-24-of-voters-support-gop-health-care-plan.html The GOP is in a tough spot. Even most of their own voters doesn't know what to think about the plan. There are no unified talking points. Explains why our right wing friends have been pretty silent on the matter. Exactly. Without the new talking points, the 8 year old "you can keep your insurance", "pass the bill to know what's in it" or "death panels" rally cries doesn't carry the same punch. But based on a couple of co-workers they have moved on to new Obama conspiracies to fuel their faux outrage. 1. Obama flew to Hawaii to convince his buddy who is a Hawaiian judge to block the Muslim ban 2. Trump can't find any evidence of the leaks because Obama was using the British intelligence agencies to do his dirty work. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 18, 2017 Report Share Posted March 18, 2017 (edited) Possibly good news: Price, the health secretary, recently stated that there are considerations/plans to adjust the tax credit so they reflect the cost of insurance for different ages (cover cost more.) If the law is passed, and that is done, it might be very similar to the ACA except the Medicaid cuts (and since the tax credit are refundable - can get them if no income,if they are offered to any income levels with no low floor like the ACA has, people losing Medicaid might be able to afford it also. ) With that change, more people will be able to get more subsidies. So if this happens, this might turn into a more generous government subsidy programs than the ACA. So possibly better...plus, Republicans will get blame for bad things that will happen because of the economics of healthcare and insurance until the USA goes to a single-payer system. Could be a get to keep your cake and eat it too outcome for Democrats. Edited March 18, 2017 by 9 Nines Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1TitansFan Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 3/17/2017 at 0:19 PM, 9 Nines said: The editor, or some principal, at Newmax, a conservative site, was on NPR this morning. He is against the healthcare bill - for different reasons than you are probably assuming. He was saying Republicans do not get it. The wave of Republican voters in 2010 was not so much because they were against the ACA directly. He said what most of them were against were the threats to Medicare. They thought the ACA would harm Medicare; that was their main concern. He said they also favor Medicaid (he did not point it out in the interview - but Medicaid is one of the main ways people get retirement homes/care.) He said with the current efforts, and even the initial ones after 2010 (Paul Ryan wanting to make Medicare a voucher program, for example) Republicans are going the complete opposite direction from what that wave of voters wanted/wants. He also pointed out that healthcare is regulated by states and they have different regulations, so insurance across state lines is not going to happen, so there are only going to be one or two big insurance companies in most states. Since healthcare insurance will therefore be monopolies, basing a system on market based forces make no sense. And they want to turn Medicaid into a block grant program to the states, who unlike the federal government are unable to create money and many have balanced budget requirements. When the states find out that the grants aren't sufficient they will be put between a rock and a hard place and we all know who is going to lose out in the end. 9 Nines, Btowner, and Starkiller 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 If the bill passes, it looks like more generous subsidies for older: https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-revamp-u-health-bill-help-older-americans-154337508.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted March 19, 2017 Report Share Posted March 19, 2017 On 3/16/2017 at 6:32 PM, 9 Nines said: Politically you can't put them down, but the real villains (and victims too) are the working class people voting Republican. Just like that clip you quoted, they are used and abused by Republican politicians. If they still vote Republican after this they are like some rube who agrees to alternate buying lunch in a group of people, where one outing, one guy pays for all, then next outing, another guy pays,etc. and the rube keeps getting stuck with bill at all the fantasy restaurants and the others are only paying at fast food places...and he keeps letting them do this to him. They vote republican for 3 reasons: 1) abortion 2) same sex marriage 3) guns even though it's really against their interests, poor, working class voters vote based on these 3 issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, SoylentGreen said: barrycare is a wealth distribution scheme. aka insurance pat 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitanDuckFan Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 57 minutes ago, reo said: aka insurance Which is not health care, but a profit oriented industry built around placing wagers on risk. Much like a casino, only with drugs. LOL No1TitansFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted March 20, 2017 Report Share Posted March 20, 2017 41 minutes ago, TitanDuckFan said: Which is not health care, but a profit oriented industry built around placing wagers on risk. Much like a casino, only with drugs. LOL which is why we need a single payer system that's not for profit. pamo9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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