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I definitely think so and I believe Kendall Wright is a sure-fire 2nd rounder who is in the Mike Wallace type of mold. He's got elite tracking ability and great speed/quickness on vertical routes. It's amazing watching him and Griffin III play together and some of the passes they can pull off. Rarely do you see 40+ yd passes dropped in the basket without the receiver throttling down but they've managed to do it in college.

As for Knox I think he's pretty talented on some of the vertical routes. It's hard to say from a highlight video about his consistency though. He looks as if he has the tracking ability to pull in some tough catches over his shoulder though and he's definitely got some wheels. He seemed like a pretty raw route runner (doesn't bracket, doesn't create space, drifts - balance) and if he continues to develop his skill set he'll probably be able to generate more space for himself and use his speed/tracking to a higher degree. I don't think the Bears would let him go though.

Reo, I'm not arguing whether some guys can be starters at the outside position without the ideal skillset/HWS. Their route running can allow them to work there but what's the point if they're never a featured player? It's in my opinion that if Damian Williams were a slot receiver he'd be a solid red-chip guy. He's smooth, agile and has great hands/tracking ability to run every route and attack seams in coverage from the slot position.

However, at the outside position (if we're considering the furthest split) he can only run a few routes (basically fade, post, comeback, in) because of the limited space on the field and his alignment. He can't play to his strengths as a smooth, agile possession receiver who can make things happen after the catch. (last games TD). He can't really excel outside and in my opinion could never be a red-chip type player outside even if he could be productive.

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Reo, I'm not arguing whether some guys can be starters at the outside position without the ideal skillset/HWS. Their route running can allow them to work there but what's the point if they're never a featured player? It's in my opinion that if Damian Williams were a slot receiver he'd be a solid red-chip guy. He's smooth, agile and has great hands/tracking ability to run every route and attack seams in coverage from the slot position.

However, at the outside position (if we're considering the furthest split) he can only run a few routes (basically fade, post, comeback, in) because of the limited space on the field and his alignment. He can't play to his strengths as a smooth, agile possession receiver who can make things happen after the catch. (last games TD). He can't really excel outside and in my opinion could never be a red-chip type player outside even if he could be productive.


There are a couple different discussions here that we need to define which one we're talking about b/c it's very easy to just fall into point/counter point while forgetting the discussion as a whole.

On one hand we're discussing how a player can be seen as not being very explosive or lacking a burst when he's not doing well but then once they're playing well and hitting the right routes and the QB is reading the defense accurately, they're all of a sudden seen as being more explosive or having a great burst or whatever when it's really the exact same player/ability. It's so subjective that it's funny.

And then on the other hand we're discussing whether or not a player needs that outstanding athletic ability to succeed. I'd say it helps but primarily you want a WR that hits his spots and be in the right spots at the right time and after your WR has a certain amount of baseline ability, any more is a bonus. And I'd say most if not all WRs in this league have that baseline ability. They just need to perfect their craft and their knowledge of the offense enough to show it.

In the case of DW, I think he has plenty of ability in terms of speed, burst and quickness to be a very good WR and if he continues to improve in the offense and be where Hass wants/expects him to be then people we'll start to see him as being more explosive that they see him now b/c it's so subjective.

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There's a article out about Jordy Nelson saying he owes his success to being white, saying how corners don't respect him becasue he's white and thats why he's sneaking up on people.

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I definitely think so and I believe Kendall Wright is a sure-fire 2nd rounder who is in the Mike Wallace type of mold. He's got elite tracking ability and great speed/quickness on vertical routes. It's amazing watching him and Griffin III play together and some of the passes they can pull off. Rarely do you see 40+ yd passes dropped in the basket without the receiver throttling down but they've managed to do it in college.

As for Knox I think he's pretty talented on some of the vertical routes. It's hard to say from a highlight video about his consistency though. He looks as if he has the tracking ability to pull in some tough catches over his shoulder though and he's definitely got some wheels. He seemed like a pretty raw route runner (doesn't bracket, doesn't create space, drifts - balance) and if he continues to develop his skill set he'll probably be able to generate more space for himself and use his speed/tracking to a higher degree. I don't think the Bears would let him go though.

Reo, I'm not arguing whether some guys can be starters at the outside position without the ideal skillset/HWS. Their route running can allow them to work there but what's the point if they're never a featured player? It's in my opinion that if Damian Williams were a slot receiver he'd be a solid red-chip guy. He's smooth, agile and has great hands/tracking ability to run every route and attack seams in coverage from the slot position.

However, at the outside position (if we're considering the furthest split) he can only run a few routes (basically fade, post, comeback, in) because of the limited space on the field and his alignment. He can't play to his strengths as a smooth, agile possession receiver who can make things happen after the catch. (last games TD). He can't really excel outside and in my opinion could never be a red-chip type player outside even if he could be productive.


Knox was demoted from starter though and is a FA next year

I think he could be had

JMO, but I'm really starting to think we need a speed guy on the outside which is why I'm starting to lean more towards Wright than going for a Fuller..or trying to trade for a Knox or going after Meachem

I'd sacrifice some size for speed

I think Kaepernick is fools gold.


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There's a article out about Jordy Nelson saying he owes his success to being white, saying how corners don't respect him becasue he's white and thats why he's sneaking up on people.


Was the article in Bosnia Football Weekly?

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There's a article out about Jordy Nelson saying he owes his success to being white, saying how corners don't respect him becasue he's white and thats why he's sneaking up on people.

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Was the article in Bosnia Football Weekly?

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http://www.zimbio.com/Jordy+Nelson/articles/-chtOeA0cvW/Jordy+Nelson+Says+Underestimated+White

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Well since "white chocolate" is already taken, maybe his nickname can be "vanilla black"

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Everyone is going by the premise that D. Williams can't play outside let alone be a #1 type of guy. I disagree. Like I said earlier assumptions are made on a small sampling of games and his draft position. There are guys in this league who aren't any faster and were drafted outside of the 1st round who are darn good WRs. Was anyone touting Mason as a #1 WR in his 2nd season? Mason might be in the HOF some day.

Then as usual we have the typical list of half a dozen college players who people think most certainly could step in and play better than Williams. In reality that is simply not true. Many of those "studs" will be duds. The talk about Meachum is almost laughable. Williams is a better WR right now. Meachum plays on a team that leads or is near the top of the league in passing yards every single year and has one of the best QBs and Meachum has done very little there. In fact I'd go as far as saying the main reason he gets an occasional big play is due to the fact the Saints have other guys at WR and TE the defense is concerned with.

The comment was made that Williams TD catch was from the slot like that matters. This just proves how inattentive some fans are about what goes on in a game. Ringer lined up wide, a RB and left and empty backfield. I guess using that logic Ringer is now a WR who lines up wide? Williams also had a bomb thrown to him where he lined up on the outside and ran by the CB. Williams has enough speed, great hands and body control and if he can continue to refine his route running ability he can be very effective. He has also shown he can run after the catch. Right now he is our #1 WR. Washington is the guy who should move to the slot when Brit comes back.
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Pick Analysis: "Whether it's a medical issue or the diluted sample in Indianapolis, there's a reason why this guy with second-round talent is going in the sixth round. That's immaterial now. Jake Locker has been unsuccessful there. (New head coach) Ken Whisenhunt is inheriting him. He will have less patience with Locker if he struggles. Locker is on a one-year contract that might not be all 16 games. Mettenberger can make all the throws. He has a world of talent and has been in a pro system under Cam Cameron at LSU." -- Charley Casserly

 


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It's will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think Munchak/company are taking a look at players like Williams to see where/if they are going to fit going forward. I particularly liked some of Cyrus' comments about ability to track the ball. Some receivers get where they are supposed to be, but if the ball is out of frame, they have no shot. Britt has consistently caught balls that were not just out of frame, but way off target. Can the Titans scouts find guys with this kind of ability, past the second round? It does seem doubtful.

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It's will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think Munchak/company are taking a look at players like Williams to see where/if they are going to fit going forward. I particularly liked some of Cyrus' comments about ability to track the ball. Some receivers get where they are supposed to be, but if the ball is out of frame, they have no shot. Britt has consistently caught balls that were not just out of frame, but way off target. Can the Titans scouts find guys with this kind of ability, past the second round? It does seem doubtful.


The Titans found Williams past the second round and he has already made some remarkable catches this year.

Pick Analysis: "Whether it's a medical issue or the diluted sample in Indianapolis, there's a reason why this guy with second-round talent is going in the sixth round. That's immaterial now. Jake Locker has been unsuccessful there. (New head coach) Ken Whisenhunt is inheriting him. He will have less patience with Locker if he struggles. Locker is on a one-year contract that might not be all 16 games. Mettenberger can make all the throws. He has a world of talent and has been in a pro system under Cam Cameron at LSU." -- Charley Casserly

 


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Functionally, DWill and Washington fill the same role, guys who are better off working the slot and playing off inside coverage. Washington was working that successfully when Britt was in the lineup, and now DWill seems to have grown into that same role. The questions the Titans need to answer are (a) are they fine with a good-quality #1 like Britt and a bunch of waterbug slot guys, and (.b.) where are they with Britt, in terms of his short- and long-term health and his professionalism and commitment to being the best receiver he can be on the field and not getting in trouble off it. Keep in mind that R&S teams, like in Palmer's previous stint with the franchise, were comfortable having a bunch of waterbugs out there, and even now they wouldn't be the only team with a number of guys like that.

Per Houston radio show host Lance Zierlein, who's plugged into the scouting community, Jeff Fuller is currently carrying a late round (like 5th-6th) grade with at least one area scout. From what I've seen of his play that year, that's accurate or maybe a little generous.

ETA: I don't see Meachem as a fit for the offense at all, and strongly suspect some other team will overpay for his services.

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ETA: I don't see Meachem as a fit for the offense at all, and strongly suspect some other team will overpay for his services.


Cost aside I could see Meachem filling the same role they were going to use Curtis in, as well as the failed attempt they have used Avery in. But I agree he'll get too much elsewhere

Deal with it


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I wouldn't be surprised to see him stay in NO. Colston is hard to rely on.

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I would assume that all of the NO receivers stay together. I believe they have the same idea that the Warner Rams and the Colts have had. Keep the offense together as long as Brees is viable. Those receivers have been together for a while in that offense.




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